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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, this is Tim Ferriss and this is yet another edition of the random Show. Episode number 4732, Kevin
Rose, serial entrepreneur, amazing goodfella generous soul
He respects our when we were for getting these podcasts together. Eat it the quite a few
episodes Avid where of trucker hats and Drinker of red wine as we've already established by the sound effects that preceded, this introduction. Kevin I see
yes, good to see you as well. We need to do this in person more. All we do. One is so fun. And so fun to do, I know some,
what nectar of the Gods use suckling over
there. Yes, I'm having a little bit of the mascot from
Napa Valley, the Harlan family, we know will obviously over there and they are quality. Producers
of quite fine, Cabernet red wine, that is just amazing. This is like my
favorite to be fair. I'm conflicted a little bit because I am on their Advisory board, but I, they make great wine, they do make great, wines it. It's
been a bit over Yonder back when I was living in, NorCal. You and I had quite a bit of that even before you are on the board.
Very, very tasty grapes. Tasty tasty grass. Absolutely. They can put that on the label if they want as a quote
tasty waves from Tim Sloan back founder cock much taste great I'm sure that'll do wonder I think her therefore prices out there one.
Yeah for that for that very high and
top-shelf Legacy multi-generational branding that they're going after. I think that would really help. I am drinking one. It's just tasted great taste.
Is I
am drinking. I don't know if you've ever seen this before, this thing, which I'm drinking. Oh, it's this little can of our 13. Ginger, mule hard
ketones. So, this is ethanol, free alcohol. So, hold on, I have other ethanol alcohol. He's working hard ketones. Now, hold on, that's where we're at. Pause.
Don't knock it until you've tried it Chuckles.
So are
13 of, you didn't die. All I know you were gonna. I know where you're going to take that. So, the R-13 butanediol few things. Number one is, you do get
drunk on this stuff, you cannot drive. If you drink this stuff and like, all
alcohol, like all alcohol, but the point
being that it is not ethanol. So you are avoiding some of the metabolites and issues through liver metabolism that you
run into with regular alcohol. It is also an appetite suppressant. So if you're used to drinking and then just housing, five pizzas, like I did the other night, then this is a counterbalance and what I've been
contemplating. I've already hit speeds you up, though. It's ketones. Right? So, it's like, it's like, here's the thing. Alcohol. No, it's ketones. But it's not
beta-hydroxybutyrate or a performance-enhancing ketone. This is a hard
Intoxicant. So you have to be very careful. They have warnings no pregnant, ladies, Etc. All this stuff to not consume more than 3 per day. You
legitimately had you legitimately
get intoxicated. When you drink this. You have to be very careful but it
contains is it burn when you pee?
No, it does not burn when you pee. It does not give you horns or vestigial tail or or eyelid hair, none of those things. And I have been enjoying experimenting with this because what
I will sometimes do and I haven't done this much but I will have one of these.
You're an investor. I can
delegate a slip knot and then replacement. Yeah. Just like the Wayne's World when they're like drinking busy. I will have one of these every night. It's a yeah I'm not I'm not an investor. I have no vested interest unlike that she'll Kevin Rose. I have no vest. I said I was involved. I almost is it the great grape juice. You called intervarsity. Tasty grapes grapes. So yeah, I'm not, I'm not
involved. I've no problem ha.
King the stuff when I am but this is actually very tasty. So Ginger mule tastes like a Moscow Mule but it has no ethanol-based alcohol in it. And here's what I'm going to do is I'm going to have this first. Hopefully and this is I think perhaps wishful thinking, but I'm hoping the ketones will have some neuroprotective effect. So that when I then shift into fifth gear to have this,
Which is a tequila. I've become very, very fond of, I'm not involved but I have been drinking it because I had it first at a restaurant called suerte. So, sweat day here in Austin, which has excellent Tex-Mex food, very high-end outstanding Cuisine. And the first time I had this that the server recommended
was at that restaurant when I was having dinner with Chase Jarvis and we were both blown away.
But Chase Chase is a great guy and Chase and his wife and has a key both wonderful
humans and we're both really impressed with this, and I enjoyed it so much that I end up buying a bottle, which is quite rare for me because I don't drink that much. But I do really like tequila. I mean, if
you are in Texas and you drink alcohol,
you owe it to yourself to explore the range of tequila. And
this stuff is outstanding. It's just fantastic. So, this will be, this will be step 2.
I have two questions for you actually. One question, you can cut this later if you want. Oh boy, you said you said on a private text to me that you had a couple drinks with the Tia last night. Atia is not a big drinker,
no, at all.
No, every time I've gone out to dinner with him. He has 12 Keel. I had more than he does. I had more than Peter. Okay. This was the end of this Ketone thing as well. Was no. It was that what you were drinking or?
No, no, no, no, okay, we're drinking red wine from Spain, which was fantastic. Okay?
In the moment. I've just found, I love red wine. I'll continue to have it on occasion. Maybe, I'm just becoming the Crypt Keeper. If anybody gets the reference, got to be pretty old already. To get the reference, my body tolerates. Wine of any type increasingly
poorly with respect to see if I have three
glasses, man. I feel like
Somebody put a pillowcase over my head and just punched me in the face for like an hour in the middle of the night.
It's rough. Do you get the, the hot sweats I do rely? Yeah. And you can track it. If you have an ordering or something else on you, look at it, you're like good Lord. What happened to my body in the middle? Yeah. And it's just happens to Daria to she's like a sweaty linebacker in the middle of the night like it's like yeah, I Wanna Go Near it. It's like you don't. Yeah, it's a
lot. I know that's going to happen which is why if I'm going to have a drink a real drink or otherwise,
Is I have not found this stuff to help sleep, by the way, the are 13 as much as I am interested and I have been, I have boxes of this stuff and I'm not an investor because I'm interested in how I might use this to moderate ethanol-based. Alcohol consumption, which I enjoy, but let's just say I can pregame with one of these get to a point where I'm kind of loopy. I will say that one of these compared to
21 say, tequila soda, the are 13 will fuck up my verbal Acuity, or my ability to speak much more
than the yeah. That's all you're really looking at the wrong. So it's perfect for this pocket. Everything days won't be, slurring your words. Yeah, they had. And this stuff
also /. Can I have found to throw off your
Physical coordination, a lot more than an
equivalent single alcohol drink. So you do need to be careful with it. It's not something you want to pound and then he's
grab a chainsaw and go out Gathering
wood. Well, that's the weird thing is that it's such a non-obvious. I would never have imagined. You were going to say that when you started this podcast because typically I think ketones is like okay I'm going to chug a bottle pre-workout. Yeah. So I mean I guess you could go lifting right now drunk lifting if you wanted to but would be terrible for performances
but this is bad for performance.
It's I mean, it's not. Well let's let's put a different way. It is not a performance enhancer in the same way that other Ketone supplements might be. So I have taken even earlier today. I took a different exhaust Janice Ketone supplement, because I was eating pretty low calorie today before recording a podcast this morning and it within 20 minutes or 25 minutes reliably kicked up by Blood Ketone levels. As would be measured with say,
Piano strip or don't know you your situation, extra, breathe, one you can use. You can use a
breathalyzer. You can use the finger pricks, I didn't measure it, but reliably, I will see a bump of one to two millimeters which is substantial and I went from being foggy and tired and slow to being fast with my words. Not having to search. For turns of phrase, everything was coming quickly. It's very reliable as a performance.
Sir. This what I'm drinking will have the opposite
effect, right? Actually this is a really interesting one question for you on that front Tim because like I know you know, having traveled with you a ton to countries where you've been so generous as to be our translator Japan, where's Tim will translate for you for about six hours and then he'll just shut down and then I get so grumpy. I'm gonna get pissed. Just like you figured out the translator translates got enough goddamn it.
Anymore. Exactly. Tim was like are paid translator of one of my birthday parties, for like the entire trip unpaid update. So so I'm curious though, you know, you mentioned, how quick your words just flow like butter? Like, would it help in a situation like that? Do you think have you tried it ketones when translating for translating? I'm
sure would help if you're using the right class of Ketone, because when we're talking about ketones, you have Ketone Esters of ketones, salts? Right? And I'm not qualified to talk about,
The intricate science of it all someone like dr. Dominic D'Agostino, who have had on the podcast, least twice is one of the preeminent researchers in the space who also works with. I want to say the Department of Defense might be DARPA in synthesizing compounds for special forces and Navy
Seals and sounds because they love the seals using it at some point, right? And so they
need measurable benefit
and one of the measurable
benefits
is that it helps
you to sustain
physical and cognitive performance under conditions of low oxygen which you might experience if you're doing say extended deep, diving or suggestion, which you might also experience if you're at altitude. So I recently this would have been early October I used ketones to help acclimate to the altitude and then tapered off of the Ketone. So I wouldn't
Perhaps prevent some of the physiological adaptations that I would want to sustain without using ketones every day. So they're fascinating. I will say if I'm taking the other side of the argument and making a counter case, I am skeptical that taking exoticness ketones constantly. When you are consuming a normal diet which is relatively rich in carbohydrates, so your blood glucose is not necessarily pathologically.
Evaded. But if your glucose is normally elevated and then you have very elevated blood Ketone levels. My understanding is that does not readily occur in nature, at least, with humans in an organic capacity, unless you are in a dangerous position as a diabetic, where you're experiencing ketoacidosis, which is very kentish fatal. I mean, it's very, very precarious. So my feeling is, if the
This doesn't occur in nature because normally you'd be producing ketones in a state of starvation. Even though I should be clear. We're producing ketones a lot of the time, but in Trivial amounts, by the time, we get to the point where we're noticing it and we're breaking down meaningful body fat in order to produce these alternate sources of energy, which the heart, and the Brain really love the heart and the brain, right? Really like ketones,
they prefer them over car.
Hydrate. Is that right or glucose is that right? I've
heard that said I don't have that much difficulty, believing it from a first-person perspective. When I've done extended fast especially the ketones provoked or the baby's just the spectrum of changes provoked by fasting, say on day two or three, where my ketones will naturally be in the 1.5 to 2.5 millimolar range. That condition feels different.
And I feel sharper than I do when I use exoticness Ketone, supplemental ketones to get to the same measurement using a single device. And I'm not sure why that is, but it feels different. You feel much sharper when you get there through fasting in my experience and that is to say not all ketones are created equal. So this right here is going to make you slur your words and shit. The bed from a performance perspective, but might be fun as an experimental heh.
And all replacement and then there are others. There are many different options out there that are documented for performing. Excuse me, documented there, go the words documented for improving
performance. So one question for you, Tim we can move on to all the whole slew of topics that we have. Otherwise this will be a to our Ketone episode. But I'm curious when people are listening, it's like there's no doubt right now. A lot of people like, okay, this sounds crazy, this sounds kind of fun. Maybe, I want to try this.
You've already mentioned the drink. Yep. What about if you're just doing it for mental performance? Like is there the one brand that I know had license? The patents from Mmm somewhere in England was H VM, H, VM n? Yeah. Hvm and I'm talking about I
do I believe that they are very focused on this particular, type of Ketone, the are one country. I don't want to say that with great conviction but I would say to everyone, you owe it to yourself because
You're putting something in your body that is going to have one way or the other could have a significant impact on your blood chemistry and your entire biological system. Read a few studies,
find out what the exact Ketone
is and go on PubMed or somewhere else and just read at least a few abstracts
yet, but we just want to know you're taken, dude, just tell us the brand. What are you, what are you, what are you juicing up with? And what am I juicing up with here? Hold on. Like, what did you take me for?
Yeah, I'll grab it. I'll grab it. Hold on a second. I'll grab. Okay. Okay, I'll entertain you all why Tim is gone. So, what Tim doesn't know is we've secretly replaced his ketones diabetic horse
urine. I love it. So
this right here I you know what the details are
not. The specifics are not on the back of this it's on the back of a larger box but the label label does not scream scientific credibility but it's a fun label.
So this right here it's going to be a little hard to see the label reads Ketone Aid so that is the brand snake water Ketone, Esther and electrolytes so it's Ketone, Esther plus electrolytes. The brand name is Ketone Aid. One word, snake water. I want to be super clear though because I think people can fuck themselves up with these things. I am not a doctor. I do not play one on the random show or on the Internet. Do your reading and talk.
You, you are doctor because there are people for which something like this would be contraindicated. So, pay attention, folks. Yeah.
I mean, never never take a supplement from the man. They create a cock punch. This is fair to say, I think I
think those are very wise words.
Yeah, yeah. Furthermore, you know, this is a side note. I want to
say, I love when I'm talking to someone and maybe especially in Austin, like, you can't throw a rock without hitting someone who wants to tell you about their latest like Ayahuasca experiences.
It's just like, you can't escape it and if you're in a group dinner, sometimes that something will come up related to psychedelics you just, you cannot avoid it in Austin, which rubs me the wrong way sometimes, but I'm kind of, I guess I contributed to it. Probably in some way. So, there you go. Just desserts. But the point I want to make is be having a group dinner and somebody will say, I don't really don't do drugs, I just drink and I'm like,
Oh, you mean the civilization Destroyer? That's the only one that you
Is right. It's
like
it's a drug. Yeah, I need to pretend, like alcohol is, it's just, yeah, y'all. Come on. I was just gonna say anything. You put in your
body, the provokes, a change, that's a drug banana Ketone. Tequila the in a prescription medication, they're all they're all drugs.
Every time I talk to the T about
alcohol or anyone on his
team, they're just like, don't do
it. Why I say, it's the
worst, it's so bad for you and yet
Sometimes he's gonna have a drink sometimes, Just Wanna Have a Drink. All right. So here which says, let's move into the show, let's move into the show. So New Year's resolutions, what do
you have, Kevin? And is there anything that's been on there for like five years straight? And you're bringing it up, you could go
back. We have at least five years of random shows that we could. We could probably do a flashback to every single failure. All the fail
dress
amazing Montage. Oh my god, did you see so many? So, I would say,
A, I want to hear yours as well. I'll do a rapid fire on on mine, and if you feel like digging in deeper on any of them, you're welcome to. So, I mean, the no-brainer is just not drinking in January.
That's, that's a no-brainer. It's just a good reset. Have you done
that before?
Yeah kind of like that but that was a little so so hand signal we got? No I mean it's like you know it depends on how many months are how many boys depends on how you define January the way. This is getting uncomfortable. He's sweating. Listen, I just got back from a silent Meditation Retreat. I did not do any alcohol and Paragon of self-control.
Well, he didn't get hammered on your Meditation Retreat. Yeah, exactly. So question for you, if you're not going to drink, I know that people may not know this
flying makes you super super nervous.
As far as I don't remember. I, he really doesn't like I wish I can be in the sky. Yes. So we shouldn't do. It has a sec sense. So when Kevin flies, Kev Kev tends to have a drink or two or three, I mean, I like a glass of champagne on, you know, it's like you know, there's nothing wrong with we can pretend that's what we're looking at.
No, you're right. So here's the deal. So would you have to cut back on your
travel for a booze free
January? No, no. Like, I'm not that bad anymore. Like, when I flew back from the meditation surgery, I didn't drink because you're great. Did you take a handful of xanaxs though? Tell me the truth. Yeah, exactly, no. I didn't actually I was fine. I was totally fine. Wow, that go meditation. It's one of those things where I don't know why it is, you know what it is about flying. Its this is gonna sound ridiculous. It's a I'm not flying the
Lane, like, I want to be in control. I kind of want to fly it, but I don't know how. So that doesn't make sense either. So it's a very confusing thing. It's something that is just,
you know, we all got our things. Yeah, I'm sure you
have plenty of. This is a good one. Yeah. Well, I haven't unpacked this with you ever know, but you're Tim. Tim the The Fearless like, you do all kinds of crazy shit. Like, what's the one thing that people wouldn't know? Yeah, it scares. You terrified us a spider's terrified of
heights. Are you serious? Yeah. And so, when
Go rock climbing. I do this, as a way to try to inoculate myself against some of the fear to the extent that if I get to a height that many people even up in a tree like 15 feet, something like that,
my legs will start to shake. I have I'm very afraid of heights
and when I rock climb, I'll be belaying. Somebody, let's just say, and it's my turn to go before. I am even on the wall, I have sweat pouring off my
hands. So so I end up using I
can't just use
As chalk, because it turns into this sticky mud on my hands. Yeah. And if I go up a wall, even if it's small wall, let's it's a 50-foot wall. I'll have to reapply chalk like five times. So what I will do to actually people might find this useful. There's a product called Rhino. I'd it probably has another word there but Rhino. Basically antiperspirant for your hands used by some competitive rock climbers and that is the only thing it was
Recommended to me by a professional level climber that has helped and I am fairly sure. Sorry company. It's a great product. If you're constantly inhibiting perspiration through the hands, I have to imagine there may be side effects. I would think. So, I haven't used it all the time, but if I'm training let's just say
As I would like to, this will come back to the resolutions, I guess. But train at least twice a week, three times a week. Like for a period of time. Why not right? If I did that three four weeks on one week off and did that for a quarter? I don't it'd be hard for me to imagine that would do a lot of damage. But
I am very afraid of heights to answer your question, and have you ever done the VR thing where you walk out on the plank? And it's like you're up at like 15 story building. I'm actually for whatever reason
fine.
If that I have, maybe it's because it's not convincing enough yet or the kinesthetic feedback isn't quite there yet or the depth. Perception is quite not there yet from an Adaptive eye-tracking
perspective, would you ever bungee jump? I have bungee jump
before and it scared the shit out of me and I wanted to do it in part because it was going to scare the shit out of me and I did it off a bridge in Taiwan, this is forever ago and
Everyone was going backwards.
And they're kind of falling but first and I was like, all right, I want to, I want to get tied up and I want to jump off. Head first looking straight down as I'm going. And I did it and it scared the shit out of me. But I will say despite all of this exposure, right? So if this were because it's what prolonged exposure PE therapy, it does not seem to have reduced my fear of heights at all.
Whatsoever
and that's crazy. I had no idea that. Yeah that's new for me. Oh yeah, that's a real thing. It's interesting, the more I fly the less I care
just talking about it, I kid you not the more I'm just talking about Heights right now in my hands
are sweating. So I've done a lot of you know this like I've done a lot of rock climbing and did it a bunch in my youth? And I think that the sweating thing would happen to me as well but that's just natural. Like you just like you're going up a
a wall especially if your lead climbing and you're clipping in as you're
going. Yeah, it's much scarier.
I didn't know. They made antiperspirant for your hands
though. Yeah, they do and I'll I'll look it up and
keep keep going on your. Yeah, on your. All right. So January booze, free booze, free means. Okay those free that's right. No drinks. Okay. Alright, wine is fine. But everything else is what I just found was kind of amazing movie moving.
And so the sad thing is I've been wearing. So I have a loop on an Apple Watch on. And I've tested all these devices and I really do enjoy playing with them and trying all the latest software out and one of the things that is really disappointing to me is in the last year actually a couple years. Now, since covid and watching Apple watch will have a
cardio Fitness level built inside of it and Minds like been slowly going down and I'm like shit, you know, like sucks. I gotta I gotta
Get back into
shape. So you know, my dad died of a heart attack. My Grandpa died of a heart attack like cardiovascular issues
or
not new to my family. So for me, this is like, I'm a big deal, you know? So I'm really focused on cardiovascular
fitness for this new year and I
essentially, a couple things, just let people know where I'm at. I've tried out all the different, latest versions of software for Fitness tracking. I would like to link this up in your, in your show notes. There's a scientist
On YouTube called the Quantified scientist that I really like he's awesome. He does basically uses a lot of the kind of
gold standard ways to track
sleep and he'll hook himself up to all the real professional devices and then also use the consumer devices and say how good are these devices like how
accurate they are? They
really predicting the levels of sleep. How good
are they at heart rate detection, while jogging like is the or any good? Because
moving around on your finger all the time, there's all these open questions at all. He does.
Does, I think it's his full-time job now is just put out new videos with all the latest fitness trackers
and tell you if there are any good and a lot of them are
crap. That's a cool Niche though. That he's business ankle knee Niche.
He's like, all right, we're going to look at, you know, hydrostatic underwater, weighing for body composition and compare it to whatever. This thing is, you're wearing, if we take it, as I think I'm getting that description, right? But if we take this underwater approach, as the say Olympic gold standard,
How do they sing stack up? That's right. Exactly. Exactly, yeah, it's really cool. And
so here's the tldr is that the Apple watch is actually pretty damn good. Now I didn't always used to be, but
it's really good for heart rate and its really good for Sleep,
the whoop. I like, because it's not as good as the Apple watch. But what it does is, it does activities specific tracking. So, for example and us, you can do that on the Apple watch to, you can say
I'm doing a lipstick Allure, I'm doing all this stuff,
right? But the
Poop is cool because you can say, okay, I'm going to sit down, I'm gonna do a meditation, it'll detect that you're doing that and then it'll give you your
heart rate in real time, I'll show you the graph after you're done over that like that
activity and it's much harder to
try and find that data apples,
their devices. Amazing. Their software kind of sucks like health kit in the Whole Health interface. It's just it's not a consumer app, it's very clinical feeling. Yeah. So the data is there, but it's not represented in the right way, if that makes sense.
Yeah. So anyway, long story short or a has a brand-new sleep. Algorithm, the Quantified scientists have yet to test that out, against all these other things, their sleep algorithm, I think was pretty screwed up before, but
they're testing a new one. Now you can enable it in beta, so I'm going to wait and see how that goes for sleep tracking.
But anyway, my methods for cardio Peloton rower. I'm not involved in Pelton. Anyway don't have any
stock but I saw the new rower and it looks pretty interesting. So they give you a 30 day money back guarantee. I just bought it.
Show up in the next couple of days. I think it's good. It's they say rowing is 80% of your muscles which is amazing all the same time. So if you're looking for a quick hit like 15, 20 minute workout, I don't know, I'm excited about it. I'm going to give it a shot. I can hop in for a second so I had a chance. Yes,
please to test the Peloton rower for the first time. And this is part of due diligence, because I have been having conversations with politics
On and you didn't know this before putting together. No prep for this conversation. This is the first I'm hearing of it. Yes, with Peloton and I have been talking about possibly doing something in terms of sponsorship, on the podcast related to the rower and as is my first step with all these things I asked to use a unit. I said I have to test it and I had the chance to test a unit. This would have been
I don't know two or three weeks ago and I was very impressed with it and I can give you a couple of tips that might help other people who are also getting the unit. So the first is the form, correction is very helpful and almost everyone will use their arms too much lean back too far and use their legs incorrectly there. So I don't know what the form correction is is like in the software space in the software, so it will show up.
Profile of you on the rower and it will flash red in areas where you need to correct form.
How does it know that the
front camera sensors in the seat and sensors on the pulling mechanism and they're probably other sensors on top of that? And the feedback is actually quite helpful. There is a competitive or former competitive I think he's still current competitive rower. Very large white guy who has excellent
That form, and there are other instructors who have excellent form. But he is the instructor who I know, and I'm blanking on his name. People could figure it out, who has a competitive background. And the reason that's attractive to me is, if you are going to be a competitive rower in the long-term and succeed, if your Technique exact, if your, if your Technique is not efficient, you are going to suffer from repetitive use injuries. Yes. And they will hundred percent debilitate you. So,
I like the idea of modeling at least in the beginning stages, the technique on someone who has competitive experience. So that would be a recommendation. I apologize. I'm playing in his name, the last thing I would say and I've provided feedback product feedback so we'll see since I think they could make modifications quite easily with firmware instead of changing the hardware. And if my experience with the Peloton bike is any indication, they will make constant firmware improvements.
So I expect that by the time I'm even saying this that once you get your ship to unit, I'm hoping there may be some modifications made the sensors at the very back of the seat are very sensitive. So my experience was you may get a bit too much feedback in terms of a red alert indicating you're leaning back when you may not. In fact be leaning back that far so too.
Suggestions and these are my experiential suggestions, not any type of. I don't think official suggestion, scoot your butt forward, just a little bit. So that it's not all the way at the back of the seat. Second is absolutely focus on not leaning
back excessively and so I do think as a practice,
especially for engaging your legs, it's good to almost Lean Forward slightly as you do the exercise and what blew my mind,
And is once I had the technique feedback once, I had the guidance in terms of exertion and some metrics to watch, I found that I could do longer, rowing workouts. I could actually do a long wrong workouts and I have a concept to rower and I like the concept to rower. But what I found is, without any of those feedback mechanisms, I would crank up the resistance because there's a resistance dial on the concept to crank up the resistance.
And I would go balls to the wall for 500 meters and I would effectively be done. My heart rate would be through the roof, my arms would be sore but my legs would not be sore and I was roasted I could go longer if I were trying to do something. Let's just say as a short morning workout 500 to 750 meters and I was like okay I think that at this point my biceps are the weak Link in the chain using
The Peloton rower and following the feedback easily could do a 30 to 45-minute workout, which better engaged all of the musculature that you were aiming to engage. So I had a very positive experience, very positive experience. I'm sure that they will, of course. And they already, I'm sure have many plans to iterate on the firmware,
so I think you'll enjoy it. I'll be
curious to hear your thoughts. Now, I will say, since you gave a peek behind the scenes earlier, I'll do the same favor.
When you send me those naked mirror selfie shots post-workout every once
in a while. I'll get home which I always do. I'll get one of these for giving you semi Apple cash right after. You know, it's great. It's great. Yeah, I do, I did upgrade to premium on your only
fence and it's I always get the tricep shot and you have good triceps.
I always get the tricep shot. I do not, I is not frequent, still not, it's not free. Still got it, it's
not frequent.
But it's not frequent that I get the quad or the Catholics. I don't have the quads now.
What come on? Well they're getting better I've been doing a lot of squats also do I'll send you some updated. Great great. Good. Good, good, fantastic. Yeah, it was, I was just going to ensure that you understand that using Roar involves your legs. I spend to make sure that those no, you know what's funny, is it note all jokes aside, Tim like, seriously in the last like four weeks I've really focused on my legs and I'm enjoying it.
A lot. No shit. It's like, I don't know by. So I've always had I still hate apps. Like there's no, there's nothing about ABS that I'm ever gonna love. But like once you actually start to build up your legs, at there's like this. I mean, it's like with anything fitness-related. Like, there's this town, painful
first, few weeks. And if you can
cross that Chasm, and kind of get on the other side of it, I don't know. Things are looking up on the legs
and also, you just feel you feel a lot better, you feel a lot stronger, you feel much more stable when you're doing that cognac?
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I don't want to interrupt your flow on the do your stuff but I am. I have some physical resolutions
as well. Jump in. Why not? So we can we can jump back to mine. Let's just keep it on popcorn and around, is they call? Yeah. So I am going to be spending most of
January and February focusing on skiing. I find skiing to be a perfect blend of some of my favorite things and I have done snowboarding. I just tend to injure myself immediately.
Because snowboarding comes very naturally. I still think I'm a fifteen-year-old skateboarder and I start doing stuff at the park and getting fancy and then I enjoy myself inevitably, so rather than try to rely on restraint, which is not my strong suit, I just don't allow myself to snowboarding or skiing is a wonderful combination of time and nature being outside.
Moving with speed under control where you get an adrenaline hit. But ideally without excessive danger, it is subtle and you can refine technique for a long time and not run out of room to improve. You can make Quantum leaps in your performance with proper instruction and you
can do it. Like when you're 72 like and you can do it when you're older
That has become so much more important for me and to this end though I am or both in process and leading up to its. Let's just say I have actually not that much time
left like 10 days. So I'm not going to do a whole lot of conditioning in
the next 10 days but I have done some leading up to it. Focusing on lower body, lower leg. I've torn as you know, I've had so many injuries. So, I've torn, most of the connective tissue, the meaningful, connective tissue in my
Ankles over the years, just from outrageous decisions and and bad commitments with Combat Sports, and getting heel hooked, and things like this. So, I as a result need to compensate by strengthening the lower legs on the lateral portion rear with my calf, everything to try to compensate for weak ankles and terrible dorsiflexion.
And is that your weak point is I want to take you out, just don't lie ankles.
You gotta gotta go for the ankle curious. Is it is a weak spot. So yeah, you can go for the ankles if someone wants to come at me carefully ankles and I'll just pull out my concealed carry and shoot in the face. Anyway, if you're pissed at that cock punch low price, just go for his ankles. Yeah, if you go for the angles, just be prepared. I may be packing. So there is that and the reason I bring all this
up though, is that it's one thing for me to make. Commitment in say, an urban environment.
Meant to improve lower body strength, and to work on stability and to do. So in a way that is sort of clinical in a workout without real-world engagement. But if I really want to Stack the deck in my favor to accomplish that,
I want to set the environment and I want to set my social interactions in such a way that that goal is served and I recognize this is a very fortunate position that I'm in. But I do think people can borrow this maybe framework or way of looking at goals to think about. All right, I say I want to do X.
How can I optimize spending time with people who will help me achieve X or who are already achieving Acts or are trying to
achieve X? How can I put myself
in locations where I am more likely to interact with those people and absorb? Some of these maybe ancillary habits related to my primary goal through this year
exposure.
So Tim tells tell us that that is, I think that is such a very, very important thing. This idea that the some of your closest friends largely makes up, you know what? You're into your hobbies. Like the things you should get excited about like when you find there's something new you want to go after let's call it skiing or something like you're lucky because you can pick up the phone and like, world-class skiers will answer and say, let me take you out for the day, you know, see you Tim Ferriss but like how do you recommend that people going into the new year?
If there's something new they want to get into, like, or they look around their friend group and I just like, this isn't help. Me, get to the next level. Like what do you do? If you're stuck like that, go make some new friends. And I would say, furthermore let's Friendster French terry. So side from Friendster,
I will say and I'll mention this, I don't mention it that much. The 4-Hour. Chef confusingly is actually a book about accelerated learning and skill, acquisition. I talked a lot about this in the
Our Chef. So even if you buy it, you don't give a shit about cooking and you just want to learn about meta, learning and acquiring physical skills. There is a section called meta learning in the 4-Hour, chef. And I highly recommend the people dig into it, because the recommendations work, and I've used them dozens of times. Now, one of the points that I make is, if you go on Google and search, whatever you are Target Sport is, let's just for the time being assume you're trying
to I want to put
That pickle sport of pickleball, haven't read. Yeah, I'm tried that. Yeah. Pickles
fun. Pickleball is fun. It's not the, it's more ankle friendly than tennis but you can still roll an ankle or two if you're not careful. So it is exciting. Austin is also not only the Third Coast Capital of Ayahuasca and unending Ayahuasca conversations but also pickleball. There's a lot of pickleball here and in sort of Central Valley California, it's become very popular.
Popular, but putting pickleball side for a second because that is not yet an Olympic sport. Let's say, you want to get better at a sport, that is a professional sport or I should say amateur or professional sport represented in the Olympics could be swimming, could be skiing could be just about anything snowboarding Etc. If you search for
Snowboard silver medalist, bronze medalist, or even maybe gold medalist from two Olympics ago, there's a very good chance and this is not to minimize their achievement, but the fact of the matter is, there are many sports that are financially rewarded in the u.s. basketball baseball and there are many that are not. And I don't think that's fair and sense. It's not reflective of the dedication skill necessary to be good at certain
some things gymnastics would be another one.
However, that does mean an opportunity for a lot of people and you could find a silver medalist or a bronze medalist, who, by the way, in many cases, is just a gold medalist, who had a bad day, that's it. And you can get one on one.
Remote or in-person training with them, in many cases for 100 bucks an hour.
And I realized amazing, I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, it doesn't even matter. Any metal was fine. Like, yeah, Ron. Oh no. He's and, and here's the thing, you don't need, you don't
need. Also, if you are, I mean, I am not the best skier, but I do ski plaque time, and I've done some hella skiing, and I've done a lot of off-piste kind of off terrain. I'm not a great skier, but
I have a basic Foundation of ability. I do not need a gold medalist. I need someone who is substantially better than I am, and this is very key, and who can teach, right? Because, in many cases, you will find say, a college coach, maybe they're retired doesn't really matter in a given sport who will be a far better instructor and get you further ahead.
Ed than a gold medalist. If that gold medalist is never really taught everything they've done since Age. 5 has become second nature so they can't explicitly name or describe what they're doing. So you have a broad menu of people you can choose from if you're trying to learn a new skill and it is so
Mind-bendingly affordable in so many cases. There are so many fields. Let's take an example. I am very excited about our chorizo, some of my goals relate to archery for the new year and I've been taking it seriously for a while. I feel very comfortable compound. I'm focusing now on recurve and Bear.
Bow, are you better than a Tia or is to abandon you? I don't know if I've no idea. I mean, a TIA has gone.
So for with archery, I he's making his own materials
putting on, he said he's been
watching for that,
he might be, I'm just kidding, then he might be,
I am I feel very confident in my ability to do what I have tasked myself with
doing with. You got him to bareback riding a long time ago and that Arch remember that you were doing bareback archery in Japan. Obviously it's not a back but I was doing yabusame
horseback. Archery in Japan.
An with traditional bows that are longbows about six feet long where
you was there, a saddle on that horse or know there's a saddle, but the saddle is
very very thin wood. The only purpose of the saddle is to hold the stirrups on the horse so you can ride the horse without sitting on the horse so you're effectively doing a wide squat in the stirrups. The only purpose of the saddle is to hold you on the horse and the saddle is not intended to be sat upon. I have two antique saddle.
At home that I know that we're my reward is those were my first real reward I gave myself in any meaningful way for anything. I did and it was for the 4-Hour Body. Hitting number one New York
Times. That's why I have this against, dude. Yeah, as so Akash Tim. It's we've known each other a long time manual. I remember, I remember walking in. Who's that downstairs place? You had where you had, like walk-in, you went on the
The hallway to Tim's house. And it was like there was a big, huge Japanese, like you have the full armor. Yeah, right. I do have to the left. It was always that little condo you had or something.
That was the armor. Had traveled with me for quite a while. This was Kendo armor that I used in Japan, a condo you had
in San Francisco right with a little. Yeah, it was on the way it was on the right hand side so as you walked
in, it was in two different places, one place, I rented. And then another place that I bought, and
The place that I bought, which is in Glen Park, I guess both of them were inclined Park. The first one had this hallway leading in pretty long hallway, and it was all kettles. It was all kettlebells, it was right, like 20, kettlebells, and then you walked up in the armor was to the right. It was directly to the right across, right? This walkway that went from the living room into the kitchen and the armor was directly on the right when you came into the place that I bought later.
And you'd walk in. And on the left hand, side was an entire chalkboard wall that had artwork on it. So it's like 12 feet of chalk art, which is incredible. So good, I was so impressed with this artist, and then, on the right hand side had the Japanese armor and that was the Kendo armor. I used when I was in Japan
Tim's house back, then was exactly how about because I met you and you just launched the 4-Hour workweek. It wasn't. It was just the launch party is when I met you for that. And I remember I came to your
Also, I remember just walking at some point to hang out. I didn't know you that well, and it's just like you walked on this. I love kettlebells. It was like the whole wedding bells. Yeah. And this like Japanese armor and like weird Saddles and she made this house of later. I think titles were a few years later. Yeah, yeah. And then there is like books all over the place. All these little note things in them, and I'm just like this guy is crazy, but like the honeymoon phase,
Of our
friendship. That's right. Kettlebell date. So I am, I supposed taken along roundabout way of saying, do not assume that you do not have access to really good.
Teachers it's right there, but people don't look for it because they assume that it's not and this type of Outreach and finding instructors I did. Well before I ever had the first book and you can do it, they're very direct ways to do it. Yeah, that's particularly if, you know, the right questions to ask, you need to know the right questions to ask it is your job to use the instructor like the niche.
Expert Google. You want them to be to provide feedback, you have to know how to be proactive as a student. And if you learn how to do that, you also remove one of the requirements I gave. And that is, you can take someone who is not experienced in teaching and make them a good teacher by virtue of feeding in the right questions. And I don't want to sound like I'm hitting it too hard because frankly, I make next to nothing on these books.
But the 4-Hour Chef Mehta learning section has all of this. It's very in depth. So I encourage people to check it out.
Awesome, very cool. Yeah. Should we get into a couple more resolutions or yeah, let's do it. I've shifted into fifth gear and
I'm making the transition to the Lalo to kill a lot of what? Just FYI.
I'm on my second and a half glass, so it's going to get interesting real quick here. Alright, so a few more things on my list and then we can move on to, I want to talk to you about your in a tea Ventures.
Figure out how it's going but I finish my seven-day very first ever Zen Meditation Retreat. It was fantastic in so many ways and I would say that the one thing that it gave me is when you sit for eight hours of meditation per day you realize very quickly that 25 minutes is actually nothing. It's just nothing and it is really really
helped me
create since returning from that trip. I had just haven't missed a day and it's just been
Solid so because they see it feels like it's so trivial. It's like, of course I can find 25 minutes to go and
sit or do a double sit in a
day and get to 50 or 55 if you're doing walking along with it. But it just reframe that entire thing for me, which I think is fantastic. And it also gave me this sense of just knowing I want to go deeper in this realm and it the experience of the community and at the zendo and everyone getting together, you've been on one of these.
And I know yours was a little bit Rocky. Be curious to see if you'd go if you'd go back to one but I had a fantastic time. And so I know meditation is going to
be top priority and of all the things that I do in going into next year. Well, I guess only ask some follow-ups, I will say that I would be open to doing something like that again. I would probably try a different format, so at the time I done of a pasta NE silent retreat.
And the sitting was similarly intensive in the vast majority of your day is sitting or walking meditation mostly sitting and I've told that story before so I won't tell it here if people want to hear that and you know effectively it gets into some very heavy stuff. So I won't rehash it here but if you want to hear the story I told it on 10% happier. The podcast with Dan Harris. And we got into it quite a bit. I had effectively a full
Psychotic unraveling at my extended Meditation Retreat, which relates to a bunch of childhood, trauma and abuse and so on. So it's not what I would consider family listing, but if people want background, they can listen to that. And it ended up being very important experience for me. But it also scared the shit out of me and I was very worried about being in a psychological freefall and to thank God. Jack kornfield, who has been on this podcast? A number of times who is
Say an extremely masterful and skilled.
Teacher meditator who is clinical psychologist. Has worked with veterans adolescents who cut. He has a an extremely hybridized toolkit which makes him very, very, very effective and he walks the walk that guy is as legit as it comes. So people may also want to listen to the podcast I've done with him. I would be open to test another format though and
I've been extremely impressed with Henry shook men, who is your Jedi Master? As I understand it and it is amazing. He's been on your
podcast twice. Now my has people go be
has and I want to thank you for that introduction. You had recommended it and he is outstanding. He is a very, very good teacher. He's a compelling speaker and I could see delving into a different format to see what that provides.
And I'm not in a rush to do it. I am however, feeling some urgency to begin meditating. Again, I've completely fallen off the horse and so that has been at the very top of my list and I continue to find excuses to put it off and it's funny because this happens to me once every year or two where I'll be meditating meditating meditating and then suddenly it's like the excuse Factory took
A vacation for a year and then it's like I'm back
this
and all of a sudden I fall off the horse and I stopped and it does not take a lot for me to feel tremendous benefits. I would say, if I do, and my default for kick-starting, this tends to be a concentration practice like Transcendental Meditation. I just find it to be the easiest way to get back on the horse that
or Mantra base is easy. Yeah, like that. It's good. It's good. I think
something like that or if I want to make it,
It an even easier on ramp using, say the introduction or the introductory course, with the waking up app and Sam Harris. I find that. Yeah, extremely well done. It provides you with very discreet and, and
Cumulative tools, as you go through it. Really anything to get you into the habit and I'll actually bring up something from conversation. I just had this week with James, clear. So James Clear wrote a book called Tomic habits, it's sold 10 million plus copies habits his thing and he shared something with me, a phrasing that I found very powerful and very memorable, and I'm going to paraphrase here. I don't want to speak for him, but he
effectively said something along the lines of
when in doubt, keep the schedule reduce the scope, which means let's say you've made a commitment to work out.
One hour, every Monday in the gym, you're going to do leg day every Monday. And
maybe it's not a
60-minute commitment. It's just, I will do my leg workout every Monday.
And your leg workout, as it's currently outlined, takes 45 minutes, but then life happens, shit happens. Who knows the kids got a bloody nose, the work call runs over and you look at your watch and you realize, oh, I'm only going to have 15 minutes to do leg day. You have a few options at that point and the option that I've taken with meditation is I don't have enough time. I'm not going to meditate. His point is,
Even if leg day is a warm up on the rower and some body weight, split squats, that's better than nothing and the momentum in the consistency matters. So for let's just say, meditation, if I were to take that advice which I have not been, although I just had this conversation with him yesterday or the day before,
even if you sit down to meditate for 30 seconds,
just check the box, like sit down and do it so that you can build the coverage.
Confidence.
To maintain some degree of momentum and this applies to diet to, right? I think we've all had the experience of being on some type of diet and maybe I had a little bit too much to drink or maybe you ate a little too many Edibles
and you're like, I just want a cookie and you eat one cookie and you're like, well, it's a since I had one cookie. Well, I already screwed myself. So let me get a
whole box of cookies and the reverse of that is well I already have too little time to get a proper meditation.
In session and let me do know, meditation, and his point is stick to the schedule, reduced the scope. And I think that's very powerful. I'm going to try to, I'm going to commit. Let me make a different statement. I'm going to commit to applying that to meditation in the new year. That's awesome. I love to hear that
because I can snowball into some bigger bigger things down there. Yeah, totally. Totally. Let's just, we can move on from meditation because it's pretty boring topic, but
it's literally just
sitting there doing nothing but I would say,
Say I would say, the one thing that I was very fortunate in that, I, you know, you meant been to my page Street Apartment back in the day on ya, in SF. Like, I lived right next to the San Francisco Zen Center, like right next to literally, write them bar was there right across the street yet and so why I took my first in course at that Zen Center back you know 15 years ago and I would say that forever. I was doing the
calm / while headspace was my first app experience.
It's on meditation, you know, and I was doing the 10 or
15-minute meditations and I did that, you know,
consistently pretty pretty well like not seven days a week but you know, four to five days a week and it gave me just some nice moments to just kind of, ah, you know, I'm just going to rest a little bit. But I gotta say there's something even more special if you can just push into the next zone of that you know, twenty five fifty five minutes like they called this this word some
ADI, I'm sure you probably heard that before, but it's like
this, this deep level that I've
only slipped into probably a dozen
times and it's it's I'm like, oh shit.
Like there's those that do a little bit of flex there. No, no, only only two hundred times or three hundred times and it's not that's not even near about Steve. What's? It's just a, I'm just fucking with you. It's a deep state of meditation. It's not, it's not Enlightenment or any crazy thing. I'm not flexing that hard but it's like it's
A very hard thing to find and it turns out that the more you chase it, the more it fleas, which is because you're trying
for something versus just relaxing into the
moment. But true for having happiness in general, I would say yes, isn't it, isn't it? There's why I'll say the one thing that I really loved about him by the way, a couple things to mention about Henry as well just to give them a little plug. He is my teacher. You mentioned the waking up app. I agree with you. Wholeheartedly. That was a turning point for me. I started listening to The Waking Up app. I paid for it.
Love, Sam's content. Think it's well researched. Well, it's probably the most. It's the best meditation app
for people that aren't looking to
necessarily just check a box but actually want to go a little bit deeper because it has the supporting
content, the conversations and the SAS are excellent. And he and he has I think Henry on the
app. Also, that's how I discovered Henry was Henry. Was Sam. Somehow found him as a zen teacher and Henry has several courses on the waking up app. So if you're
Curious about who we're talking to or talking about. You can go and check out Henry's content on the wake. You up app and also enjoy the app as well because it's a great. Well, made product that Sam has put together. So, and, and Henry's voice. He has this mellifluous dulcet tones. It's fantastic. He's the kind of guy if he read you. The,
as Neil Gaiman, did once the Cheesecake Factory menu, you'd be
like, ah, I could listen to this all day. It's got a great voice, exactly, like grateful, absolutely.
Anyway, so a couple other things on my list of New Year's resolutions. And then Tim, I love to hear your finalists as well. So to boring things but you know, I think we can all relate one organizing my photos on the photos app inside of photos, like Jesus is that masked? I gotta go do that, we do that. This is only.
How are you going to do that? Because I look at my photos, and I don't even take that many photos, right? I mean, it's like, the the youngsters out there, take whatever it is,
20. So you say a lot,
Bad stuff.
Those are usually the most all two dudes with the one dude in the center. Wait, what? No, those were dudes. The whipped
cream. Those were not, dudes. You gotta
watch, you guys weren't dudes. No, they're not good. Anyway. So those are the most
hideous things that my friends send me in these various group texts. And by the way side, note anyone out there, who is there?
R personal theater, chooses mock outrage, like, oh my God, I can't believe that a every one of you, if you had your group text, shared would
go down in flames like the rest of the world. So he's my god, dude, if I had my friends group, text shared, Tim, you and I would both it would be game, everyone. You know what, here's what would happen is the
entire world would be canceled.
There's not a fast I can't.
And I mean, if you wouldn't be Council, I'm like, I'm so
Our your life is so boring and your friends have no sense
of humor. Well, that's the whole thing is like one of the things I love about my friends is that we can all give each other shit, we take it and we also share things that are just so ridiculous. They make us laugh, but we're having fun with life like we're just its humor. Yeah, and we realize that but, you know, if that thread got on the internet, people would be like, oh my God, they made a joke about this and it's
Like I'm not making any jokes that I wouldn't. I have no problem with my jokes wouldn't be considered to be they because so no crude but not the apology start already pacified classify them like they're not jokes. That would people would be like oh he's a woman-hater are racist or something like that. They're those aren't the jokes. Yeah they're more just like a little bit crude in a little bit rough around the edges that's like a little Chris just unset a little crude like dude your shit is I can't even show Daria.
Most obvious Mei. Canada. Of course you the book. The thing with the two people bumping and she was like Jesus. Oh no. That was terrible. That was one, you know, something worse. Once you've ever saw me, I was so bad. You know
something? Well, that's, I mean, kind of relates to my nft project in a way, but it's like, you
know, it's, you know, there's something
horrible and special when you're in a group thread, and I'm not a woman, I don't want to speak for women, men. I think just in general, are much,
each router, much rougher, I could be wrong, please prove me wrong, but
There's some just terrible shit that floats around and again, it's not anything that would be illegal but it's just in its own way. Jaw-dropping coming back. Well,
no, no, I'm not backpedaling. I'm not backpedaling now that you've got me
started on this whole like apologizing, to the
woke supremacists thing. Now, I've been drafted into this thankless
task, but the point I was going to make is,
I don't know if you've had this experience but you're in a group
thread with a button.
You guys, and it's just constant nonsense, right? It's
just nonsense. Derek joke. That's nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. And then one person will throw something in and everyone's like,
ooh God Jesus. God is
terabrite, totally. And then you, immediately immediately said it to you. If that's what when I get one of those gems, I immediately said it to you. Well, me and Sokka like, yeah, thread with. Yeah, we do from those that we do, have some good ones, we do have some good ones. So how the hell did we get all rise? Okay, so
So we're talking, okay, I was talked about organize my photos photos. So what do I, how would you even do that though? Because it seems like such an overwhelming
task. It's not even probably worth talking about. We
can I would just fire the photos app and I'm going to go back in time and start like going to town a while leading a bunch of crap. Definitely not gonna do that. Okay, continue so, but here's a more important one, though. This actually is, is something that I two things, well, we don't talk about the one, but the one thing that I do want to do is I'm really trying to close the one you told it.
Talk about. I've started coding jugs and so I'm dummy. No, not that. Not that. Not the plugs That You Love, by the way, I know when I'm gonna get in that. So this is this is going off the rails quickly. So I am starting to code again. So when I move from key to us to kill us and all the trouble starts, exactly, that's how you know, this is gonna be a good episode. I was actually really nice art of us. We finally have another holiday drinking one. Yeah, yeah, next time in perso.
The one thing I though that I was going to mention is that just for fun? I am starting coding again, I want to do something generative on the empty side, which cool and hopefully, have something ready for our conference in May just for fun. And then, the last thing I would say in, and it's something that's really important to
me is, I
wanted to this yearly delete of things and I have this Rule and tell me Tim if you have a better but physical thing here, physical things. Yeah.
and so, what I'm thinking is that, if I haven't used something in six months, or maybe I should even shortened to three months, let's call it clothing devices Etc, like any something that's sitting around in your house, like just donate it, donate it, give it away to Goodwill, let it find a, the home, it belongs in, and reduce your stuff to like,
I'd love to cut in half to be honest. Like I don't need all the, the crap. Yeah. How do you feel about that? I have some policies for myself that have been
very helpful. I think and sometimes I overcorrect and I'll explain why overcorrecting makes sense. At least for me the first is and I'm sure you get this but I think I get it to a much greater degree. Maybe when you are at the helm of dig, this was an issue.
I get sent so much shit. It is unbelievable. I mean I just get mountains of stuff sent
and we're in the same boat, dude. Yeah, it's always just that that's part of why I was thinking about it. It's like you get a lot of books, you get a lot of
Swag, you get a lot of things, he had a lot of stuff. And so one of my rules and I don't follow it perfectly but some rules followed imperfectly. Still add a lot of benefit. And in my case,
If I'm going to keep something new, I tried to get rid of something. So if I'm going to accept one thing in one thing's, got to go, if somebody sends me,
Maybe it's a really comfortable shirt that has some clever thing on it and there's some really minimal branding for their company and it's a friend's thing. And I'm like, okay, this is a comfortable shirt, maybe I'll keep this. I will try to find a shirt that I get rid of because I have simply too much stuff. I will also go through periods of purging and I try to do it leading into the winter. Because frankly, if you're out there and you have
Warm clothing, meaning clothing for cold weather. If you have layers or thicker clothing or long sleeve shirts that you are not using and you will not use this winter. Holy shit. There are people who need to that. There are people who are homeless. There are people who are without means to buy clothing for themselves or their children, donate that stuff. And here's what I would say, if you're on the fence, give it away.
Right? And I don't want to do too much of the Mahdi a condo stuff, but it's like, if it doesn't spark Joy, here's what I would say. This is another
love your accent, by the way. They're set good every time. Thank you. Yeah, if anybody didn't know, it's not, it's
not Marie kondo. Even though it's very convenient for the English-speaking markets, Maria, Maria, Maria, condo and in condo she is the most perfect skin of all time. By the way, people can find a photograph of me with her. I interviewed her in Japan.
Most. Have you figured out what, what, what her
secret is?
Genetics may be. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's like,
An AI created, the perfect human porcelain doll her, it's unbelievable. I don't know what hit her, she's cute. Oh, absolutely. But she's also married and like has a family and I don't seem are not something I'm going for but she's a good-looking woman. Jesus Christ. All right, anyway,
so I know but let me let
me come back to the thought. Actually, I have a
question for you but go ahead. I'm about buying
stuff. Yeah, for sure. So the
What I try to do when I look in, whether it's my closet or at things, I own is asked on, on a scale of say, 1 to 10, how much joy, I am, I getting out of this or how much use am I getting out of this? And then the follow-up question is no matter what the answer is. If it's a 10, I keep it right? If it's a 9, I probably keep if it's an eight, I probably still keep it. But if it's less than that, could I give this to someone could I donate this to someone who had
Absolutely get an eight nine or ten use or joy out of this. If so get rid of it. And if you have some means, right, and that's doesn't mean millions of dollars, but getting rid of a t-shirt or two is probably not going to break the bank. For a lot of people, in which case, when in doubt donate, it give it to someone who can't afford to buy the
shirt and if you decide later, you know what, all I really
like to that t-shirt, I really like that v-neck. I really
Like that fill in the blank. You can buy it again and I rarely end up doing that. But every once in a while, like I'll do a full Purge while, I'll just take garbage bags and garbage bags of stuff and donated to Goodwill or somewhere else and then I'll realize.
Okay, I kind of got
overzealous. I got rid of that. One thing that I wore all the time.
Yeah. And I don't just buy it again on Amazon. It's there two days later, it's fine.
Let me ask you. I have a very personal question and something that I haven't shared before that. I'd like to ask you about buying
things. Oh, and well,
no, I just I just think that this is something that that nobody talks about and I always like to, like you're so good at finding stuff that, you know, you can pick up and you're a very open person which I've always appreciated about your podcast and like just like how you are transparent about feelings and emotions and a lot of things that I think a lot of men.
Use to look up to, you know, got this is the he's question to be a fucking hydrogen bomb. This is a tough one. No no, no. I'm so here's here's a problem that I've had, just being completely honest. Yeah,
there was
back when I was in my, you know, 20s and early 30s. Dig was doing quite well, which is my start up for those who don't know, was early social News website. That was it was killing. It was we had 38 million people a month that were visiting the site cute, it was back then.
Then it was one of the top sites on the internet was crazy. It started to go sideways and started to go down and like not, you know, like we were losing to read it right. It was starting to kick our ass to some certain ways and, you know, we had dominated them for many years and then all of a sudden that was not the case, and we were kind of reeling a little bit. I had sold a tiny bit of my stock enough to be able to afford an apartment in actually, by put a down payment on apartment and that's how I got my page Street Place in NSF. And I remember thinking,
To myself, like I need to buy myself something to like it was a search to feel better, right? And so I went out and I actually bought and this is going to sound super douchey, but I'm okay to say this today, like I bought actually, I bought a Porsche, I bought a Porsche 911 back in the day and
Looking back on that. I realize I was just in a really
difficult sad state.
It was it was hard for me, you know, to watch this baby of mine and I didn't know how to course correct it, right. I was just so immature and whole bunch of different ways but I was buying for the sake of trying to fill a gap, right? Don't get me wrong. Like, I still think vintage Porsche has an old porches and horses in general. There's beautiful cars like I do I think they're great. I don't I don't have a 911 today but I will say,
Say that I'd noticed the same Kevin is not anti. Portion is group text message and I had a Porsche, please don't cancel my Porsche, I would love to be sponsor. That's what sponsor me. I'm happy to drive 911. So that said, you know, here's a crazy thing. I went and ran ho dinky the luxury, watch brand company. I was CEO there for a few years and loved my experience there because we were covering mechanical like a dying
art, like I was like mechanical
timepieces and it was very
Re beautiful and its purest form in its purest form, you talked to an artisan. That is a single independent watchmaker that takes a year and a half to build something from scratch and sells 10 a year. That's beautiful. Those days are going away and it's douchey form. You're talking to Lambeau drivers that we just want to have a flex that they can hold a watch on the wrist. It says I have five million dollars on my wrist, right? Like that's a real thing. And so,
I meant with Allah as is CEO of this company. This is like the you know, the it still. Is that the largest watch brand editorial site in the world and you would meet all these collectors and then we come up to you and they come in all different shapes and sizes. And it was clear to me that some of these dudes like bless them, they were trying to fill that same thing that I was trying to fill. Where your you got me spend money on something to make yourself feel.
In a group, you'll connect to feel connection because you come out and you say these are other collectors like me like I, you know, it's tough and I'm not anti watch, I still remember where nap wash day but I still have a few timepieces that really are really meaningful to me including one that my dad left me when he passed away and I still love that that whole thing. But how do you approach this? As somebody? Have you ever spent your money on things and then, how do you approach it with like have you ever done?
That and then also how do you approach that with with significant others? Like you know I've had this conversation with my wife about like, hey we don't have to wear the flashy stuff, it's okay to wear. You know, I told her the other night like one of my favorite times to hang out with you is when it's jeans and t-shirts like version of you at a bar. Like, I love that like a definite beer. Like we don't have to be fancy Allah. Like I don't want that. Where do you stand on, on all this stuff? So I think
And you've probably observed this in me I mean you're so good at this. This
is why I'm trying to pick up rain. I don't got any good Ashish it, I'm good. But there is
a
downside, there is a trade-off
and I have not figured out how
to contend with this and I'll actually mention also a book that has come up several times in the last week from multiple people, I respect and
Remember Rick Rubin the the music producer said to me, when that happens to him, if he feels like, it's a signal from the universe that he needs to take a look at something. And so, I kind of feel like that right now with this book, which I'll come to in a second.
I
have had very few instances of buying expensive things for myself and you've seen this. Oh, and I don't think I'm
Stingy in all things. For instance, I will go to if I think the experience is going to leave an indelible Mark in my mind, I will go to a place like alinea and Chicago and have a meal and I did that. And I'm really glad I did and it's very expensive, right? I mean, I would consider it very expensive. It's like 1,500 2,000 bucks for a meal and that on some level would make the
the 15 year old version of me, go into a seizure right, did not grow up with a lot of money and grew up in a household where scarcity of money was an issue. And my God,
my dad would yell at my mom for spend too much. Yeah, so she would literally bounced checks. Yeah, I remember that being a conversation like this account is overdrawn. Yeah.
Yeah, it was a source of stress. It was a source of stress and so, I decided pretty
the early on as a kid. Okay. I do not want this type of stress in my life. That means I need to figure out how to make money and that in a way was the spark behind my entrepreneurial experiments is like, okay, it's good this way. This type of stress that I have been immersed in an exposed to
And I don't think it traumatized me. I wouldn't put it that way. I wouldn't want to remove the power of that word trauma by applying it to something like this. And I think it kind of disgusts me. How overuse the word trauma is, that's a separate thing, but it affected me, definitely imprinted something on me. And as a result
I have spent relatively little money celebrating anything. At the fact that I spent like these Japanese Saddles, right? I bought them at auction from a cameras Christie's or Sotheby's. And I think it was five thousand dollars apiece, right? And into, to allow myself to do that.
The
hurdle was
not only do I have to finish and publish a book that is 500 plus pages. I think was maybe 700 Pages which was cut down for probably, fifteen hundred Pages.
Was that in your head or do something you wrote down like this is a hurdle that you had to like you're like it was in my head but I
said, if I publish this book and it is number one New York Times, I will allow myself.
As a reward to buy these Saddles that cost five thousand dollars each. And if I don't,
I'm not allowed to do
this. So on some level I respect that and it's very strict, high standards and on some level, all of those things are good. But what I will say is when I meet or spend time with friends of mine who have
Achieve some degree of success and it's not always millions of dollars, right? They've just they've just figured out a job and a seal where they've developed a career and they're stable and they fix a lot of problems for themselves. And they add a lot of joy for themselves and their families by spending money, the dark side of what I'm describing is that I don't think I've developed that very well. I have more money than I
I know what to do with and I think I put I put it, I don't want to sound like a prick. That doesn't mean that I'm just like doing backstroke through a pool full of gold coins. Like Scrooge. McDuck, that's not what I'm saying. I think I have a very, very hopefully. This doesn't sound pompous. I think I am a very, very good capital allocator and Steward of money I think I use
What I have to very high Leverage.
Means and objectives through
funding. The science
and the journalism fellowship with Michael Pollan and so on like, but here's what I'll say Kevin is there's a dark side to it in that I don't use money to fix problems that I should fix. And like, what, give me an example, you know, I'll give an example, which would be
There are little things, I'll give you a perfect example. So there is an article, several an article, it's more an adaptation of John Stuart Mill's ideas on Free Speech, which is an Illustrated Edition. It's called all minus 1. You can find it on Amazon, you can also get it for free. I think it's that heterodox Academy dot org slash Mill. And this came about
through conversation with Jonathan haidt, who's fascinating Sinker, and professor and researcher, who wrote the coddling of the American mind and many other books
This is, let's see on Kindle. It's I think 78 pages and I agonized over when I was going to find time to print this and put it together in a hard copy so that I could mark it up. So I didn't want to wait for the paperback. This is stupid. I have employees. I could send this to someone and just be like, hey figure this out, whatever makes it readable go right. It would
Taken 30 seconds but there's part of me for whatever reason they get stuck on doing it myself and doesn't even consider that it doesn't enter my head as an option and there are many other examples of this, right? I've been to friends houses where they love, let's not name names but because you probably get it. But like I have a friend who really loves Topo Chico and you go to his house and he always has a refrigerated drawer full of Topo Chico.
Never empty love that. He never runs out. So X is extra sparkly. It's it is yeah, it'll definitely take all the enamel off your teeth. It's delicious and
and
even though all the Hipster austinites have boycotted it, because it's owned by the evil, empire of Coca-Cola now. So they're, you know, they're drinking Richard, sweet, rain water, and and others which are fine. Fine, fine, fine sparkling water, but I just, I just find the outrage, pretty hilarious. But the point is like he has
A team, he pays people to help him and his family with their lives in various ways that he can focus on things. He's really good at which does not include figuring out at the last minute. Oh shit, I'm out of Topo Chico. How am I going to make it in? Time to the grocery store to
buy this since you up 45 minutes of my
time? I don't have many of those systems in place and it's not because I am consciously deciding, I need to save money. It's like the option doesn't even.
Appear on my mental. You I to choose. So this is something I'm trying to figure out which leads to the book which has been recommended number of times now, which is called die with zero. Have you. I've not read it so hard about this. So
full disclosure, I've not Gretchen
sent this to me, oh no shit. Okay, so Bill Perkins is the author and I should know better than to recommend something before.
I've read it. So I just want to make it super clear. I have not read this, but the book is die with zero. Getting all you can from your money and your life and it's written by Bill Perkins, who's a famous energy Trader / investor and the Wall Street Journal bestseller. I'll just read a little bit of the description which is very
Seductive to me because it's written by someone who has also been an operator. If this book were written by just someone who's waxing poetic without any real Bona, fides, Bona. Fides, I would be skeptical. But this is someone who's actually been a real operator in the trenches.
So the description is a common sense. Guide To Living Rich instead of dying,
Rich. Imagine if by the time you died, you did everything. You were told to you worked hard saved your money and look forward to Financial Freedom. When you retired, the only thing you
Along the way, was dot dot, dot, your life
died. Was your presents a startling new and
provocative philosophy as well as practical guide and how to get the most out of your money. And the most out of your life is intended
for those who place lifelong memorable experiences. Far ahead of
Simply making an accumulating money for one so-called golden years. And it goes on, this is interesting to me, and yes, I'm hoping that it provides me with some counter programming that will maybe help me to do more. And I have, I will say,
Been finding some Outlets where I don't have Hang-Ups and one is spending money on our tour supporting artists, I will be doing moving forward, quite a few experiments with artists and art work. I did one that is actually running right now, as we record, it's going to end in a few hours, but it's a competition for a i generated or enhanced artwork.
And aren't related or no Hawk punch related. So they have to worry serious.
Yeah, compounds related and the stuff that is come out is
Beyond belief. I mean it is hard to wrap my head around and I say this as someone who has quite a bit of art background and worked as an illustrator paid a lot of bills, as an illustrator for magazines and books and college. It is hard to wrap my head around what this technology will do for Creative expression and its controversial. I have seen blowback, right? Because AI
whether it's chat GPT for text or other tools requires training data. So where do you get that training data? If it's graphical expression, if it's if it's what we would consider visual art, they might be pulling from say our son
art station, and right, that is lending, it's so well together that you could never pick out individually, which artist is pulling from, so in some signs in less than your prompt
you say,
Say instead of in the style of an NGO which most people would consider fair game if it's in the style of fill in the blank contemporary artists who makes their living selling prints in part or doing commissioned artwork. Is that a net positive or a net negative for them? I don't know. I'm not someone, you should
talk to, who's your who's fun to chat with. This is I was talking to Mike Shinoda about this, our mutual friend, okay? In Lincoln Park. Yeah. And he was talking about how
there's this list, you can
sign up for that apparently.
We will exclude you from the training data like the Do Not Call US. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was saying that like because in music you can imagine. This is going to be a big deal, right? You're going to say,
I'm a already seeing stable diffusion applied to music in ways that make your head spin and it's so early, it's not even the first inning. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, I was asking him about like, hey, what do you think of AI when it says, Hey play me a song like it was written by Mike Shinoda and what does that sound like? You know, and
He's it's a big topic to go into. How does he feel? I don't want to speak for him, but he was at that time, it seemed like,
you know, I I got
the sense and I'm just I'm paraphrasing here. I'm actually not even paraphrase. I would say that. I got the sense that it's early days. And if anything I know about Mike is like, he's definitely, he Embraces the future. There's no doubt about it. Like he's all web threes doing, and if he drops his doing Jennifer stuff,
Like with music. It's yep, he's awesome on that front but at the same time I can imagine if you're an artist in his position which is you know just
top-tier top 1% of all musical artists out there.
You kind of also want to protect who you are as an individual in your IP sure. That was the kind of sense I got from him is like agree on how to have this is going to weave and what ya, doing the future. So yeah, he'd be a fun one to have on eventually, Tasha, stop shoving back on. Yeah, I had him on the podcast like 100 years ago.
Ago. I should have him
back to such good dude yeah great guy and on the AI front I will say I have artists my family, I see how hard it is. I've been there myself and I should point out also that I am not necessarily immune to the influence of these Technologies in the sense that I have seen blog posts generated using predominantly AI, it with very few prompts.
And things are going to change for writers in a bunk, not in of those big way and that will particularly apply to nonfiction writers and I am principally a nonfiction writer. So
now and the fiction writers dude, like a lot of this is tools are being done around fiction. And
fiction fiction is going to be harder. I think fictional be a lot harder to thread, but both will be affected. And this, there are many questions that this this prompts pain.
Tended one is what are the factors that will drive say reading in my case, how much it will be being certain that you are reading something generated by human before you're willing to commit to having an emotional response? Even if the output is identical, right? Well, there be some authenticity of human production.
That becomes important. I could see that
becoming important. Interesting. I do you really
want to cry watching? Am I mean that was 100% produced by robots. Maybe not. Maybe that is a hard line that people draw or they're like I don't actually want to have my
emotions manipulate. Yeah but you already do today with with the graphics, right? Those are sure about machine. Oh yeah. So no it's a
question of degree,
right? We're already being questioned. Yeah, well you're saying Tim is let's just the jump forward, 20 20 years from now.
Now, you're saying there is a world where you could imagine novel, that would have some type of designation on it, you know, digitally that would say this was human written like just ensure absolute. That's
fucking crazy. That's awesome. Absolutely. I mean, imagine you have these timepieces that are
One of a Kind produced by the labor of one, or a handful of people over a year and a half.
The origin and the story matter, you could produce something, maybe even
Superior
with Advanced, Robotics and software, and so on. But you want, you want the physical and psychic imprint of these
Human Action. Yeah,
ugly. So I think absolutely like just like you have a stamp for organic or you know, Humane certified.
Or free
trade and be like,
human-generated step, I would be him fries. If that's not a thing, I think it'll be a
thing. Going to file your trademarks and patents, so that that'll be thing. Let me, let me add a
few more, though. So, another one will be, but actually, it is more philosophical. So, I thought about the counter argument in the blowback related to a i, before I launch this competition and I understood
The counter-arguments and I don't disagree with them. This is going to affect the competitive landscape for artists period full stop, especially, especially for things like logo, design things of this type, of course, writers fucked. Yeah. Like Website Layout and so on the way I'm looking at it is, if I Tim wanted to help as many artists as possible
What would my chess move be and where I landed was?
We are going from the horse and the horse drawn, carriage to the car that transition is happening whether we wanted to or not. And if we own a bunch of horses, if we own a bunch of carriages, if we own the equivalent of a taxi service back in the day that's fine. But the technology is going to change. So if you want to be in a competitive position, if you want to have advantages,
You need to be on the front end of learning about these Technologies which is part of the reason why I wanted to do this competition to say hey guys.
You can make this work for you in a lot of ways, but you got to be on the early end, you just have to. There's a
couple things that I think are important to point out here in that, to me, this just represents another
leap, forward in
technology, almost the way, I would say the closest parallel, I have to, this is probably the graphical user interface that was done by, you know, the mac and
And, and Netscape and forgetting webwork. Just imagine, we, you were an artist back in the day and to draw a circle meant, you had to sit down and try and draw a circle. It's yeah. And now he knows apis. You can doubt you can exactly need a compass. And then, now, I'm gonna call this a so fucking old, right? I love that. You pull the compass references, that's great. But now, you can, you can literally so, sorry. I'm getting wobbly Circle. Let me sharpen that thing I hate right.
Those days are gone and that's okay. And no, I'm sure there was some artists were like, you know, fuck Photoshop for making that perfect circle like I, yeah. Have to hand draw those, you know, and like that's kind of what we're going through today with this next jump. It's like, there's going to be, it's going to be tough for a few years. It's going to feel weird, it's going to feel not, right? And and then finally will understand what the tool actually is, you
know, and also, I will just say if you're early, you can learn how to use the tools.
Rather than be abused by the adoption of the tools is super important. Yes, if you learn early, holy shit you have tremendous Advantage. So, learn early start experimenting. Now
I'll give you another prediction I was thinking about
this.
Imagine if you will, I feel like Dan Carlin with Hardcore History.
Imagine if you will General supid,
I know, let me come back. So imagine if an imagine that you have a book, you have a nonfiction book, it's a biography of a contemporary figure Teddy Roosevelt whatever like Theodore I think it's Theodore Rex I think is this multi-volume biography that I've been meaning to read forever and I just keep putting it off because it's so
Long and I've heard it's amazing but I haven't been willing to commit. It's just too long. I think there will be a time
probably in the
next year. Wouldn't surprise me.
Within the next year, I would imagine for books that are well-reviewed have a lot of coverage and our contemporary meaning within the last hundred years, I will be able to say something along the lines of with a prompt interface to stable diffusion or any number of other tools. And I think a lot of these tools will get combined into user interfaces where the
mechanics, the underlying mechanics are
invisible. Oh my god, dude. Wait, pause for one second. Okay, can I get this? Looks like real quick? Yeah, of course. He gets there is a service you have to try. I don't know if you remember. Our buddy, Addison Kowalski, created prompt hunt.com and like actually is, it's taking exactly what you said were right
now. It's 50 words to create this prompt as
he's looking at it.
Eames around it and it's radius really, really okay. Yeah since this we're talking about
this will do well. Yeah if it's executed well, propped on talking as well because the magic is in the prompt, it's kind of like being a magician with
the Spells. I mean you have to be
realized you have to get the incantation right and if you don't zero, you come up, empty-handed or you get some fucking mongrels. That's right monstrosity. Sidenote really quickly. Rhino, skin solutions.com is what I was referring to earlier. The
Dry spray and the Mikey's tip juice. So that's before know is what I have. So there you go.
But we meet with you talk about, you talk about. They hand
stuff. Yeah. That the antiperspirant for the hands that helped
those, the Big callback that was something called The Deep back this K. So let me do one more than one more quick, call back side note. This is the last one. I promise for all those that were we talked about. Tim, you mentioned the book
I was Zero our friend, Chris Hutchins. The reason I said that he had mentioned to me, he actually did a podcast with him. Oh shit, I know you, I know you love Chris. Yes, I guess call all the hacks. Yes. All the hacks die with zero is the one to check out. Cool me, I'll check it out. Yeah. Chris is just think, Chris
is very diligent. He is, I
will say, is like a mini you honestly, I would like more Christ. He's the first Chris Hawkins he is. I thought I was
CD about prep.
He's giving me a run for my money. He really does a lot of preparation and is meticulous in how he approaches the details of these things. So I will check out that podcast and will link to it in the show notes. AI prediction, big book, three volumes biography. Fuck. I'm never going to listen to that, I'm never going to read that. I could put in a prop which is something like create a Ken Burns like
hurry.
That allows me to cover the most important parts of fill in the blank book or book series with say archival photographs or footage with a voice overlay that provides narration which is pulling from the highlights of that book using sources like quotes from Goodreads Kindle for you. By the way, it's totally going to fuck me. It's totally going to fucking I mean I am absolutely going to be
B, simultaneously the beneficiary and the cock punch recipient of artificial intelligence, 100%. Oh, it's gonna rock the boat in such a significant way. But what I'm committed to doing is being a student of the craft because it is, the, it is the Model T, and the car coming after horse-drawn carriages and this is inevitable. It is not reversible, sadly, you know, there is no Lobby, there's no Lobby, I can think of no
This worksheet is out of the bottle. It's out of the bottle, it's out of the
bottle. So there's that. Should we talk about?
Cox. I do
maniacs. Yeah. Let's talk about a cock
punch. Let's let's have anybody named name that movie reference coxal Maniac. Do you get that
reference? I don't know. I don't remember. It's an old. It's a
bar. Ouch. I'm older than you are. Give you a
break. Look at those white whiskers. You got over there, mr. Sea otter. I have here biatch. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
Los Angeles. Slick. Going.
With that
black hair. Ha ha ha ha.
What the fuck was? I just talking about? Oh, yeah. Cocks, I'll Maniac very important film reference. This is a reference. It takes place in a bar scene in the Winchester in Shaun of the Dead. Shaun87
shilin dead. What I've seen Frank
greatest of all time. I watched it several hundred times as background when I was writing the 4-Hour, workweek
little known fact. Awesome. Okay, you have gray hairs yet or
no. Oh my God, I'm covered in gravy.
Man. Yeah I was fortunate / unfortunate to lose my hair before my hair went gray on my head but oh chest hair beard hair salt and pepper Mania. Absolutely. Do you get the the
greys I could get the garlic? Good the greys oppressing, the greys down under I've had a couple down there. Of course, I do know, how would you have anybody who's like yeah, I have
gray my beer and Grand my chest but my pubes are like the man.
In of black
stallion. Let me a fucking break. That's bullshit. No, I swear, I only had like two and it's depressing. It's depressing. Because you trim them real quick because you going to get him out of there, but like, oh, I give up on
that,
did you? You just fall great. Your Santa down there? Sounds like I'm like, I'm like,
Adam gives Ali's beard on my
balls. You're welcome, Madam. Please leave it. Leave that in one of the greatest sizes
Is really greatest scientists of the Modern Age of our age. You guys. This is called the ball sack. I love it. All right. So cock Punch House in a steel and been so so. Well, let me ask you that any blowback
on that, it talked about all of it, I will say just to just to preface whole thing. I am still having so
much fun. There was good. There
was like a death valley of anger and like, the trough of Sorrow, for sure.
Yeah, the content of sir.
Errol. It's the get to travel through taint of
Sorrow was sorrowful. So I'm not going to downplay that we can talk about it, but what do you expect was gonna happen? Let me let me start there because you've you've been through this road, you know, multiple times.
Honestly Tim I kind of knew you were fuck. I would have said something if I thought it was career career ending for you. Yeah. And I didn't think that what I thought was that
I told you I got this actually my wife, this I said you know I'm glad that Tim has enough money to do not give a fuck because it is he's having fun and all you can ask for anyone. Yeah I think about this with my kids a lot at the end of the day because like Daria is an academic and she you know got her PhD in neuroscience and I clearly am not. I'm a College Dropout. And at the end of the day, what I want for my children is them for Define their life's work and they're funny.
Do your job for to find. What do you say them? According to fight, that was an amazing design design. Okay. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Forward to go again. Okay, I probably did. I'm sure I'm like deep into this bottle of fantastic wine, which I will say, is the mascot. So all jokes aside, I would love when I see Tim having a good time because it's a Mite. I've known you for a long time, man. And I know that you're very interesting.
Cat and that you're like both insanely playful but insanely serious. At the same time, you have these two sides of your life that you just like you know as sometimes are at odds with each other. And how long time? I can see playful Tim come out. I'm just like, I'm happy. I'm a happy person because I love you happy, and it's just that for you. It's, it makes me happy. So, that's great. Well, what's, what's
also?
A timing hilarity at all, this is that as I'm about to go into this, huge experiment that I've been working on forever.
And Kevin's my Sherpa right? Kevin's
like oh Jesus, the whole upbringing in there too? Well, no, no, okay, I'm gonna
give Brennan credit where credit is due but but you got me interested in along with navall and other people interested in web three. You led me to my first actually, rewind the clock. You led me to my first crypto purchases in late, 2012, early 2013, somewhere in that range.
You have introduced me to a lot of very important technological innovations. You also walked me through as my metamath tech
support my first, nft
purchase everything of a shirt that says that
but the IP White Glove tech support
and
Then I'm getting ready, the launches coming, holy shit, I'm nervous
people on your team are helping me. And then Kevin's, like, I'm going on a silent Meditation, Retreat, for seven days. And I'm like, what? So Kevin
disappear us. But let me catch you up. So pre meant Brenda Mulligan. I have to give him a lot of credit. We both known him for a long time. He could human execuse. A great human. He gives a shit. He cares about quality.
He is very thoughtful he and his team. I want to give his team credit to he and his team executed flawlessly. They were so detail-oriented which of course I appreciate
so verse on my team no your tea was my sex for you on. Hold on, hold on. I'm just you
mentioned Brennan so I'm mentioning Brennan first. So Brendan executed so well and his team
Prototyping the mint Pages as a potential offering through preeminent incredible. So I just want to give a thanks there. I'll also give a thanks of course to your entire team. The sort of Divergence super squad that was that was absorbed was eaten. Brought onto the island of proof by KK row row. Kev, Kev rose rose and
And
the new one, that's a new one. You sounded like the South Park guys doing so with their voice overs.
Anyway, some people will get that and the the Divergence team.
Also, world-class, I mean, good job, by the
way, I mean, I'm just glad you had a great man. Man, everything went fine. You sold out everything label rate, excited sold
out. We I think managed it very well. People get pissed no matter what but I think we managed it as well and planned it as well as we possibly could have. You know, how much I agonized over this? I mean, I went I held onto multiple variables as undefined until all the, the 11th hour because I really wanted to
To try to satisfy as many people as possible with that. It is not possible to make everyone happy especially in web three, especially in end of teas
but the mint went off without a
hitch and then the reveal drops a few days. Later, let me back up and just say thank you to everyone who participated in the primary cell because it raised 1.8 or so million dollars for this. I say Foundation.
All of those funds have already been wired to the size a foundation that happened within, I want to see 48 Hours, 72 hours and money is already being distributed to projects. So this is not a foundation that sits on funds. Those funds are going to immediate use and I'll be I'll be sharing more about that. And the uses for people who don't know, they can find saisei Foundation at essay is EI foundation.org. So, I say, means rebirth. And Japanese has funded and continues to fight.
Fund critical early stage. Research related to treating conditions like treatment-resistant depression complex, PTSD, so-called intractable conditions that effectively fail with our first line treatments currently and a lot of that is psychedelic, assisted therapy related, but not all of it. I personally and size a foundation had been involved in funding, mr. White pubes himself, God, he's going to love that.
Dr. Adam ghazali and his amazing work at neuro scape. I'm sorry Adam, we had to do it, but yeah, but he is. I mean, he's such a superstar, he can get away with it, right? Like that guy is a, that guy's an absolute top tier world-class scientist, who knows how to navigate all of the complexities and therefore, thanks. Huge sincere. Thanks to everybody who participated. It's all going to very very high, leverage, high impact
Tough and then the revealed comes, right? And the reveal comes, the art comes out, some people love it. Some people hate it. I still stand by the art, I stand by it. One thing that happened that I did not anticipate at all, is that a few things I will point out that I'm paying attention to feedback? I don't pay attention to like you
suck balls, man, fuck you. I
don't pay attention to that and I'll block you if you do that, but I do pay attention.
Valid feedback and there's a lot of valid feedback for instance because this project is not a pfp project. It's not a profile pic project even though PF b stands for proof for picture. I think our picture for
proof no profile photo. No project does
not, it does what it stands for, it stands for picture for proof. Look it up ended up being co-opted into profile pic, there's no F and profile pic project. So and profile
piggy cheese, of course you would know the
bullshit. Anyway means like, show me your face on the fucking
Twitter. Well, that's what it means. Now I'm just I just wanted to throw a monkey wrench into thanks for a second because I know you're deep in the wind. So I wanted to stumble things the point being because it wasn't a profile pic and I tried to explain this is an elf, right? It's an emergent long fiction project and to explain that it didn't fit neatly into any category that people could
absorb in a millisecond for that reason. When the art was displayed full body, it was actually, I think confusing to some people even though I'd explain they would be full body. And furthermore, the resolution was ratcheted really far down to be a unique file type that allows open see. In this case, the ability to monitor for counterfeits. So the function is really important function is super important. They can flag and
Of counterfeits and invitations and scams, by utilizing this unique file type. But what it did is it ratcheted down and I should give a huge, thanks to the Open Sea team, they were outstanding and helping with this project in a million different ways. So I want to give them full credit where credit is due. And also the fact that this file type which is incredibly High utility in Port for the platform, and for projects because immediately had dozens of scams,
He's just as Moon Birds did, there are a lot, there are a lot of fly-by-night grifters in this space at anywhere. There's anonymity, you're going to run into this, but once you add money to the mix shit gets crazy very quickly, so that was a good thing, right? In the sense, that, that file type allowed us to contend with and prevent or I should say prevent, but minimize confusion in the marketplace.
The side effect of that though is that the resolution was quite low. And as a result, people were not able to see a lot of the detail of the artwork, especially because it was full body and we address that later by providing a token ID, look up or people could say hey I own Legend Of Cock punch number 234, let me go to kasa.com. Pfp put in my number I get a high resolution image. I also get a pfp camera angle from within blender
For this character. Oh, cool. Yep. Which has been super fun and front will that
we once at one question there. So if I put in my number will that give me a cropped version of the head so I can use exactly. It'll give the best school cropped version of the head. And also, the
best camera angle from within blender, which is 3D modeling software. And then what I did because I had created these
A I blended oil paintings of some of these characters for each of the houses. So there are eight primary houses in this world much like Game of Thrones and I created what you might consider even like a portrait painting equivalent of each of these iconic houses, and I did that by using night Cafe. I think it's also called night Studio, which largely is a stable, diffusion, but also dolly
E2 and a few others to blend the original artwork with Van Gogh's self-portrait, and it's amazing.
And that's see this word that's probably when I was on my Meditation Retreat. Yeah. Was where do I see this that? So if you go to, if you go to
and we can talk about Twitter because I know that's might be on the docket, we should talk about it. Actually, if you go to Twitter and then say, if you go to punch, not not such cock Punch. If you go to, I'm just waiting on
My browser to respond. Wow, as my browser, slurs Twitter really slow right now might be Twitter or it could be that my account is suspended for the 12th time. That's been happening a lot, you
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elon's you, let hates cock punches, okay? I'm having trouble, getting Twitter display but if you go to twitter.com, slash slash
slash, if you go to twitter.com
slash house laughs
we need seizures.
House looks like Hal L. Ux, if it maybe it'll pop up for you.
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ux, okay, on Twitter twitter.com slash house hallux so house. Hal
L ux is if you just do how exits the guys toes on there. Yep, that makes can't. There we go. Okay. All right. So,
do you see what I'm talking about? You see.
Sort of yes. Okay, so beautiful. That's amazing. Isn't that gorgeous? And so good. It's so good. So if
people go to twitter.com slash house, hallux house, hallux is one of the eighth grader houses. And each of these houses has its background coming out on the cock punch podcast, which by the way, you were gone for this but debuted at number one in fiction across all of Apple podcasts ended up at
Top 50 or top 60 across all of Apple podcasts and people are now listening to these and getting really into it. People are enjoying it and particularly once I made the and my team I should give them credit the higher res, full body images and pfp is available. I put out a video on YouTube, which showed people how to convert their pfp into this van Gogh's self-portrait styled. Oil painting,
And people have been having a blast. I've been having so much fun and things have gone. Pretty bananas. There is a lot of
creativity cock punches, there's
there's a lot of creativity being Unleashed and this was the hope and hence the description of the project as emergent, long fiction immersion, not just emergent from me, but emergent from the audience. So for instance, there is this unofficial Discord. I said from the outset I wasn't going to make a
because everybody told me Discord is were all the evil comes out and I have however ended up
Chancing upon this unofficial Discord where they had, I might have sent this to you and Brendan via text. They had AI driven cock fights with different cock, punch, characters on this Discord and I have never seen anything like this. It was so funny that I was sweating through my clothing. I mean it was beyond hilarious and rock climbing. Yeah, yeah. It's like rock climbing but but a lot more hilarious and what they did. It was genius.
He's so they had people.
Opt into competing. So let's say they have brackets like an NCAA tournament and each character would feed in their name and their traits. So, the traits and attributes that you would find on say, open sea and then the moderator who was also the commentator, kind of like a sports commentator would feed this into chat GPT and he would add a prompt like describe an epic battle between
Or among and list, all these characters with their traits and then chat GPT with spit out this fight scene and he then on discordant voice channel would read this for everybody as it's happening as it's being generated. So there's a live sports element to it. There was somebody else in the channel who because a bunch of these characters especially from the AMA Kawa, have an instrument, which is called a shamisen, which is a traditional Japanese entrance.
Somehow he managed to pull up
this. Super aggressive traditional shamisen music.
So you have this commentator is who's reading the
live fights like the play-by-play, like a boxing match from the 1950s, while this crazy Japanese music is playing and simultaneously. The text thread is going crazy with all these people commenting and throwing in memes, it was beyond hilarious, and so crazy. So,
And
fucking fun. It was so
fun and I had nothing to do with it. I mean look I provided a few of the raw materials perhaps in the form of a funny name. Some artwork the attributes in the naming of the attributes. By the way, not accidental. If people look at the attributes they have not paid. Most people have not paid enough attention to the naming of the weapons in the attributes. I spent at least ten hours just on.
Naming so that will become more relevant later but the way that this is unfolding has been super fun. It's been
super fun. There was a period of time where I
was just like fuck all these nft Traders. Fuck these people, I was so annoyed because there was so much unnecessary spinning of conspiracy theories, like Tim's going to say, all the money to his own charity, and buy a Lamborghini and run off to Bermuda. This whole thing's a scam, it's a rug pull and I'm like, what are you
Talking about, I put
everything in that fake you. I
told you all of the conditions, all of the objectives stop it. It's just fucking stop it. But there is, I think I would imagine you tell me, but inevitably the cycle of like over exuberance. As soon as the floor price drops by .001 eith, a 10% of the people lose, their fucking minds and become children.
Here's the thing, here's the thing. This is the best advice I can give you to him. Is that
That having been here in my wise old age of six months longer than you have seven, which is like 10 years in a Nifty. Right. Exactly. I can tell you that what happens is. There are a lot of flippers that come in. Obviously, that are looking like, how can I two or three x's in in two minutes, right? Yeah, and then, eventually, you'll realize, and it's really cool that we're starting to see this happen to Moon Birds, where a lot of that is kind of like that chatter has gone away. And
More about the long-term holders. Understand that like, you know, great projects. Great Visions. Great businesses. They're not built over six months. Yeah, they take time next
decade. Right?
And so, if we're going to do that, like they are signing up and believing in us as Builders over the long term. And I think that's, that's where you'll get to is, you'll get to people that are like, oh, I
love the podcast. I love the Lord. I love the back story. I love what Tim's doing here.
I'm a holder for the long term, and what you'll see.
He is your percent listed will drop over
time, right?
And that will be
because you're getting in some more. The long term holders that believe in the project of the lung it over over the next decade which
is very exciting. Yeah, I already see that happening with your collection today, which is great. Yeah, one thing I will say that was is amazing is you had one of your golden Cox which is your kind of signature cock go for 55e. We just want insane.
550 eith is one of what your your cocks went for n. It has the gold balls attribute.
Its that is focal full. Gold will copper to write. It might be copper, might be copper. Yeah. There's there are a couple of different options. There's let's see here. There's gold pewter I believe, which is this, the silver equivalent but I thought pewter was much cooler and then copper because I love copper that's a long.
Story. But I really have an affinity for copper. They're a bunch of metals. I've finished for copper is one.
One question I have for you is you have an attribute called the circle
of eight bus.
Yes. My zen had on says, that's a, that's an Enzo. So, is it an insult or no an end? So described for the audience? But, and so is it is like the the Japanese symbol for like you can look up, go and type an enso in. So
Into Google images and you'll see it's like the, you know, standards encircle. So look at the single camera. Can you pull up one of those characters as you're looking at them?
Yeah, I have them up right now. Okay, look at the shirt. What's on the shirt? Can you see what's on it? It's green. Hold on, let me get back to it. I had a yeah, it's a green shirt and it's got the single. Oh, it's a dragon.
So it's a, it's a
circle the dragon eating its own tail. Okay, my dad, I thought it was more of the single stroke, like Zen symbol, you know? Well, I'm talking about right? It may not
be unrelated. It's not too interesting.
It may not be unrelated that is a dragon eating its own tail. Yeah. In what is called an Ouroboros? And there are a lot of kind of hyper proud liberal arts, folks, who use this word or mythological reference in snarky magazine articles, but they don't actually have full understanding of the mythological significance and variation on this.
This concept of the Ouroboros so people can look into it, but you're going to ask you about them. I will say that I think the circle of eight are overlooked
and there's only seven of them though. Why aren't there eight of them? There is a
nice he's in there is in there somewhere, he's not tagged as Circles of eight. Though he is
not a cookie she he
is not, he is not know, he can't be achieved because they're all cocks. But yes.
So there's not a single
Balus one, out of all of them, they're
all there's not a single. What? Balus one you said there are,
yeah, yeah. They're all cocks. Like they're all. They're all
male. It's cock budge. Yes. Until they're
all, they're all, they're all, they're all cock. Your like Kevin the title. It's very much,
but that is one of the outstanding mysteries in the realm of vodka, which as
By the seventh scribe in the first episode of the podcast is, there are several very significant outstanding questions and one is where the women, we assume we got here by births. We did for use. Question mark, question mark question
mark, interesting. Lady bunch. I can go way worse but you definitely going to sleep.
No, I just love saying that because I know that some
aspirational squatters going to go out and buy cunts lab, right. Everything he'd be
like you didn't get cut stopped. Uh teeth. Now you can buy it from me for twenty thousand dollars and I'll be
like enjoy that one. I'm never going to use it. Yeah I have a lot of ideas. I'm not committing to a decade of building X Y or Z. I've made this clear from the outset I'm going to do this. As long as its energy feeding, which I think is part of the reason why a lot of Traders have ditched, which I'm thrilled about, and
Not say the Traders are trivial. They provide liquidity and really important function and I understand why they do what they do. But as somebody pointed out on Twitter, who is a holder of one of these cock much entities, they said, with every secondary transaction, you are getting closer to the community that you want. And I thought about that I was like, fuck, that's true. And I've seen that even though it's only been that
out because that's some Sage shit. I need to tweet out
It
wasn't mine. It was somebody else. I apologize that I can't remember the proper attribution, but it's like with every secondary sale. You are getting closer to the community that you want. And it's so true when you think about it. Even if I look at the last one, did this even happen? Got it seems like six months since I launched, but it's only been two
weeks.
You know, I will say,
oh man,
when I talk to people who have been deep in
The Trenches with NF T is for like six months a year, two years. It is like looking at a before and after photo of Obama when he got elected and four years
later, yeah. It's like he's like people to the world worn down. You got the thousand-yard stare like their black hairs all gone gray. I'm
like holy shit. You really gotta pace yourself.
It's great. Oh yeah.
God it's so intense.
I'm excited for you, man. I think this is a fun creative.
Of chapter for you and I love that. You're not saying this is my next great book. This might it's just a fun Outlet, right? Like it's a fun
outlet, but I want to rewind and say, something Echo. Something that you said, and we hadn't had that much boost. This was in Santa Monica. And I don't know if we were recording, but I was showing you, some of the artwork and I was getting excited. I was explaining some of the stuff I was thinking about, and you said it, maybe you were joking. You can tell them, you're like, this might be the biggest
Thing that you've done and yeah, I don't think that's a zero percent likelihood. I know that
sounds fucking crazy, but I don't think a 0%. I really don't know. The reason I say that is because and I truly did mean that when I said it is because of one simple thing and this is like, it's funny.
You know, just in full transparency. A handful of friends are like, let's Tim doing what's his cock? Punch thing you do and they come up to me because they know, I know you. Yeah. And they're like wanting to know like, is this crazy like what is he gone off the deep end robot? I'm like, I'm like, the my answer is always very succinct and it's on point and I say you don't understand like
Tim is a creativity Factory. And if you point that in the right direction,
let's triceps by the way,
you, look at those triceps and the video, God, look at that Forum in this, trams. If you point that in the right direction, you're going to have just something that could turn into a franchise and something that is much bigger than you or even. Imagine oftentimes, we citizens in technology all the time, whether it be Twitter or Instagram, or you name it. I can probably point to 15 companies.
That everyone thought when they launched it was a fun little fad. Yep. And then it snowballs into something bigger and bigger and bigger. And all of a sudden it would not
Shock me if
five years from now. And I know you're not saying this is me saying this but you're in some major Motion Picture crazy shit multi like print book like world where this blows up to something much bigger. And so when I looked at that I said wow this is this is
If you take your nonfiction world and move it to fiction, this is your creativity shifting to that fiction World, which I want to watch. I want to watch every chapter of that, you know. So I'm excited for you. Thanks Ben. Yeah,
it's
I'm having a lot of work to be nothing or can nothing, right? Like so that's the best part. It is you have a promise that this is the future you're saying. I'm going to have a great time and let's see what happens. I have the
emergency exit
If I get sick of it, right? I'm out and what you deserve 50. Maybe I don't think that's inevitable. I do not think that's inevitable because my goal is to create something that can perpetuate without me. That's always the objective, right? When's the last time I gave an interview for the 4-Hour workweek 10 years ago,
right?
Still one of the top books on Amazon and their point. So my intention and
Is the thing, there's a cohesion and a shared incentive and an alignment with nft is that does not quite exist with books.
And that's very interesting to me. So,
I'm studying this very deeply thing a lot of conversations. I could ditch in a month if I deal with like 1000 consecutive dick faces on the internet. Maybe but so far it's been pretty easy.
Relative to all the things that I've had to contend with. Over the last decade, it's been pretty easy to discard that just because the nonsense is clearly nonsense and the people spouting nonsense are generally spouting that nonsense to other people who are spouting nonsense and
even in two
weeks, just being able to withstand the heat in the kitchen and
staying in the kitchen of all, you know, you're good. A lot of that has
resolved
Itself already going to calm down y'all and 10 days. It's already calm down. And so for me, this is when the interesting stuff starts, right? This is when things start to get interesting when I have a critical mass of people as evidenced by this unofficial Discord and these competitions which were unbelievably entertaining. I mean, I think this could get to a point where people pay just to be a spectator at these competitions.
I know
that's a strong statement. But
I mean, look at these Sports, man. That's freaking huge. It blew
my mind. So I give everyone who did that a lot of credit I was flabbergasted. It was
truly one of the greater holy shit moments I've had in the last several years. So if that is what's happening within two weeks, oh my God. Holy shit and
I'm excited. I'm having fun. And also, you think about nonfiction and all of the, if you're a responsible, nonfiction writer who is engaging in Creative nonfiction,
But within the broad category of creative, you need to adhere to a certain factual basis that is verifiable when you remove those limiters and you enter the world of fiction which requires if you're going to do it. Well, I think some degree of consistency and you need to ensure that storyline smashed to some degree, but when you remove some of the common constraints of nonfiction, holy moly, what I have experienced is that
You tap, a Wellspring of creativity that is enormous that just does not exist. When you are writing fact-based, I don't to call literature. But when you are, when you are trying to produce fact-based writing and
I'm having fun man. I'm having so much fun and it opens the door to so many things, right? I was talking to somebody on my team today and I was saying, you know,
I've never ever wanted to sell Tim Ferriss branded shit. Like the idea of somebody walking around with like a Tim Ferriss show T-shirt with
my fucking face on it, like that makes me want to just now I mean I have your thong the limited edition when you did the limited
edition thought with my face right on the balls. It's true. You
didn't get the one of wanting that is that it's death of the first one. If one ever do, nice view. Yeah, you're welcome. Happy Anniversary. The idea of having my
face on
on say a t-shirt, just always made me puke a little time and all that isn't
not never ever want just never want to do it but people do that stuff,
right? And I don't look as the
face. Well, she sure. I'm not gonna have your logo. Well, even just Tim
Ferriss on a sure. Feels weird to me. So it's just too darn. I like I'm sure I'm a narcissist but I'm not that narcissistic. I just couldn't get there but the idea of having a small subculture of people who at some point,
Walk around with a cock punch logo on their shirt,
probably without
cockpuncher on it. Right? There would be two in your face, like a logo on it. Where anyone? Who sees it knows? And that can be like the fight club wink. That's fun. Sure that's super fun. And I'm not saying I'm going to do that, but it's fun for me to imagine that being a possibility. So suddenly all of these
handcuffs that I placed on myself, for good reasons around what I could or couldn't do, are gone, they're completely gone, it's called cock punch for fuck's sake. Like I can do whatever I want. You know, it's fun, it's fun. I'm real excited about it.
I have one awkward question for you. And it just popped in my mind as a consumer of your podcast. But not something. You may not agree to divulge in which we can cut it out, okay. But there was a point here, a few minutes ago, were you say?
Said the 4-Hour workweek is still on the New York Times bestselling? Like, no, I didn't say
that. I said, it's still one top selling books on
Amazon, top selling books. Okay, top selling books, Amazon. Yeah, be right because of different things. I'm sure there's a lot of people and Tim don't, don't take this as like I'm being. So if you're willing to divulge, a lot of people would be
curious. What did you receive for the signing bonus to do that book? This is your first big buck 04. Our
Quinn. Yeah. Yeah. And then, what is it?
Like over time, and then like, what do you make now on that book like per year? Like can you talk about that? Like yeah, you talk about, get the ego stuff. And I think it's really interesting. I think about it. I'm happy to I'm happy to talk about it
and these are not going to be well, in the case of the ongoing annual stuff. I'm not going to have an exact number but I can give you an idea.
Yeah, just rough estimate.
Yeah, rough estimates. So a few things on the book publishing side and I may have to take a pee break because after the ketones and
tequila
cannons. And can also swap here in a minute were like two are. So I'm having
fun, I'm happy to go. This is work two hours, 24 minutes in. But this is, this is a, this is a good episode. We're covering a lot my advance for the four hour work week which was paid out in four to six installments. I want to say, I don't recall exactly over probably a year and a half was seventy-five thousand dollars if I remember correctly. Okay, your first book, you use this
approach to
The approach to you or have
this. Well, the way it happened is a long story. I ended up finding a very good editor named, Stephen Hanselman, who had just become an agent, He was untested largely as an agent, but I trusted his taste and we hit it off. He then took the book and pitched it to a bunch of editors, 27, or 29 of, which rejected it in some cases.
Has rudely really rudely, ultimately sold it on. One of our last meetings, in person in New York City, with editors and Publishers, and Crown took a risk at the time, crown within random house. Now, I think it's Harmony books, the publishing world has a lot of shuffling constantly, so it's hard to keep track but I believe and the person who gave the go-ahead was Steve Ross. At the time, I think it was Steve Ross. Think I'm getting his first name, right?
At then it Crown. So thank you Steve. And it was 75k, paid out over probably a year or a year and a
half. Now that's an advanced, right? So they're saying, if you sell that many
books, you have to break that first, right? Yeah, exactly. So we're prepaying you for certain, write your books and if you see that, then you get the royalty and the royalty per copy for hardcover, is going to be anywhere between.
10% and
15% of what does that mean of couple?
Nice. Well, what's a couple bucks, right? So if it's if it's, let's just say it's 20 bucks and let's make it, it's not going to be 10%. So it'll be it baby. Let's call 15%, that. Be $3 a book from that three dollars though. Keep in mind, you gotta pay taxes. And you also have to be aforehand, pay your agent, which is generally going to be 15%.
And then anything else that comes out of it. Okay. So
right, so I was sold millions of copies, I sold millions
of copies, it took time, it did not flash boil as quickly as say Atomic habits or as quickly as the subtle art of not giving a fuck, it did not flash boil as quickly as either of those books it took some time. It took some time. It came out in April of 2007 it's not hit. Number one.
Times which it did first on the monthly business list, until I want to say August, it took some time, the initial print run was 10,000 copies and is sold out and then nobody could buy the book anywhere.
Wow, which is a, which is a quality problem, it's actually significant
problem and that is the advanced story or at least the numbers on leave as so. What's your yearly
look like at this point? Like I said, like 50 Grand or Walt. Let me look,
let me, you know, I asked this recently but no.
Try to pull up my text thread. I was trying to come up with this number recently, so give me just like a rough estimates fine, too. It is that to be? Yeah I just don't want to. I don't I'm very you know how particular I am. I don't want to misrepresent anything.
So what did sub 100 K? Is that right? Or more probably selling over 100,000 copies a year.
Maybe 100 to 150
k.
Okay.
I mean I've written and published now five books that were number one, New York Times end or Wall Street Journal, and many of them stuck for a very long time. You know, looking at a Texas red with my agent and he sent a photo, just pretty fun with four hour work week on the trending rack at Barnes & Noble after 15 years after 15 years now on,
Rach. You have thinking a rich which has been around for decades. You have the intelligent investor Benjamin Grand been around for decades choir Work Week. The Millionaire Next Door, Rich, Dad, Poor Dad, Rich Dad. Yeah, eggs eggs of course it's
always up their power positive thinking. I'm just going to name a few because why
not trust in Inspire I'm not familiar tribal Mentor so I've got two on this rack. Tom, Cabot's, Jordan Pederson, 12 rolls for Life, the 10x Rule, and a number of others. So on the
Ending rack. I'm actually in good longevity company with a number of these but 15 years afterwards. It's
still your, like, a musical artist at this point. Like it's basically like, you know, if your insert any like queen or Michael Jackson, whatever. Like there's this ongoing royalties that just trickle in overtime
because your, that's right, you've hit that point,
it's Evergreen content, its Evergreen by Design and I'm looking at this
here,
It's so amazing. I would say all of my books.
On an annual basis. I mean, these are not the most successful books of all time. This is not Harry Potter, but this is probably top 1% in terms of earnings and track record for non-fiction books.
And my total royalty is pre-tax.
Would be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
And I don't know the exact on that
Campbell Soup and Demi Moore beef stew.
It buys a lot of Campbell's soup but but let's just take as an example. I mean, I have put many hundreds of thousands of dollars into the development of cock punch and I won't bore people of all the specifics but there's
a there's a lot of money that has gone of over here. It's amazing. Yeah. So
no this is just to say
you're lucky typically all of your money from 4-Hour workweek and put it right back in the cock punch that you motherfuckers. Nothing.
Well, it's not so
much a guilt trip. It's just to say
I think it's, it's crazy to think about the fact that I could take almost all or all of my royalties for all of my books
for decades of the Decades of
work. Yeah.
All of the proceeds that I get from that, I put into an mft project which doesn't highlight that an nft project done. Well costs a lot of money, although I do think it requires some it's to highlight the fact that part of my reason for engaging with web 3 and N of T is was the promise that artists could resurrect in a sense, they're creative Powers through an ongoing royalty which turns out
This is a shocker, and was a shocker to a lot of people is not automatically baked in and guaranteed by your smart contracts across all platforms. Its platform dependent,
let's be real, let me give you some real talk. Now Tim they'll talk is like, okay, real talk is that you've had five thousand three hundred and ninety-six eat in total volume. Yeah, your creator fee is 6.9%. Yes. Oh you did and I'm not please please like let everyone know on
this podcast.
You did it. No one does which
is the primary sale? You give all the money to charity. Yep. Secondary sale. You're saying this is what's going to
maintain the project? Which I think is
awesome. That's very clear. Under actually said, Tim might use it on Whiskey and Whores. I said this, like I didn't even address so what s the timber single again? The the second second piece of that may make it again so you can cut that out. So Jesus, I'm sorry Tim, I'm sorry. So
Got 96 totally eat times point zero six nine your creator fee is 372 eith so 372 obviously times. Like let's just say eat as a 1200 that's means you've already broken. Even if your four hundred forty six thousand dollars in secondary say have not even
recoup my costs for cock punch yet. But yes, your costume more than a half
million. Yes. Wow. That's crazy. Well, and he had to pay taxes on this because this is,
this is rent and that is not counting my time. I'm
I'm working at, of course, below minimum wage given the number of hours I put into this. But if we discount that if we're just considering hours for contractors the costs, which I view it as an investment for artists. For my team members, who are allocating a significant portion of the, let's just say their annual salary to these things. I do not think I have yet broken even and I'm totally gonna be okay fine with it. I'm totally fine with it.
I am totally fine. You're gonna break even dude. I'm not worried. There's no
downward. Yeah, I'm not worried, I'm not
worried as the skyline matures the the the lore matures your commitment matures. Like it, there's no doubt that dude. Well, I won't even say what other projects they can compare these against. But like, you are
the projects to a whore? Yeah. The project surprise thing. Well, yeah, projects to a well, and, and what's most exciting to me is the trend that I'm seeing in the coalescing of,
A community of people who are actually excited about it and thoughtfully excited about, they're not just drunk on cock punch fumes. They're actually thinking about the Laura, they're tracking the Laura, they're tracking some of the details and a lot of folks have missed and paying attention and they're excited about it. They're having fun with it which is the whole fucking
point. This is exactly what I'm most excited about the moon Birds community and what we're doing over there is that we're finally getting the point where I feel like the community is
Is tipped over and said we're in this for the long term. They're excited about what we're building. They excited about some of the novel
mechanics that we're doing on the technical side that hasn't been done before being done in different ways
and once you get there you're in a great place is a project as you feel good, if you feel energized to
go into work and like really put in more energy into this, you know, which is yeah, what we can, all kind of hope
for. So, I will say, a couple little things to hit before we wrap things up. One thing, certainly worth. Checking out for everyone out there, especially High
Risk, folks, and Tim II purposely put this in the rundown so that we could chat about it. But there is a mode new to iOS called Apple lockdown mode. And if you go into settings on your iPhone, you probably do this because I know you're paranoid like this shit. But like, if you enable lockdown mode, it actually disables like five, very common things that you would typically allow on the iPhone but it prevents us a good idea. Most of the, the
Um, eyes of the happen from like State actors. Like, like other governments and like sophisticated attackers, protect devices, against extremely rare. And highly, sophisticated cyber attacks. Exactly. It's things. Like, if you get a like a lot of payloads meaning like the the vulnerabilities will come
over SMS, right? Or
text message. And if you get something from say someone that you don't know, it by default blocks them like things, like just obvious things, you should have enabled. It does crippled.
Few things in terms of the functionality of the iPhone. Anything else? Before we wrap things
up,
Well, I'm kind of curious. You have a couple of bullets.
Love your your spelling, am I done with Ayahuasca? I'm sure I'm suing that as the question and then write and then about investing, let's talk about those two. So real quick on the Ayahuasca friend, let me just preface this a bit in that. I would consider you to be the first person I ever heard about Ayahuasca. I'm like let's call it like eight
years ago, whatever the fuck it was. Like a long
time ago. It was from you. Yeah. And nobody was doing that.
Shit, it was like, you had to get a proper Shaman, blah, blah. Now like Los Angeles like, you know, CVS is doing, like, I lost the things that night like, like, it's like everywhere. Yeah, whatwhat's. God. What say you, you fucked everyone and that you create this crazy Trend and, and, and have you found durable lasting effects from it. Like, would you still recommend it for most people are? What's your take on that?
I wouldn't recommend it for most people. I
I have found durable.
Benefits that I've also found unpredictable risks. So I will say that about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago I had
an extended deep depressive episode for several months precipitated by two nights of consuming Ayahuasca and
There are reasons for that, it's not unexplainable. It was related to a lot of the content of that experience in a certain
sense of meaninglessness.
And nihilism. That was, I think a predictable result of the
content and experience that I went through, and
I think in some way the conclusion Landing in this void of meaninglessness and nihilism is Justified but it doesn't make it productive and it was certainly not psychologically beneficial. So, after that experience, I decided to take a Hiatus from partaking and there are significant, not just psychological, but in some cases, physiological, risks associated with Ayahuasca, you can, you can experience specially, if you're on
Concurrent medications like certain ssris, certain syndrome you can have severe severe side effects. So this is not a trivial undertaking and
I have largely in the last year, year and a half,
Paste down significantly, any consumption of psychedelics? It's I think that they will be an ongoing component of my life until it's game over or at least this game over and I transition from this physical form. Should we say I do think that they will be in cock punch that you truly are. That's right. Until we all send to the Valhalla of cock Bunch
but
I do anticipate, it will be an ongoing aspect and
Important ritual component in my life but I have dialed back the frequency substantially and let me ask you a question. Yeah.
Do you see
the benefits degrade over time? It meaning that like if you had to go back and talk to your first Ayahuasca self, like likes is called like eight years ago, whatever it was. Yeah, ten plus years ago now. Yeah,
yeah. Let's say 10 plus years ago, would you say, hey Tim, do it 10 times or do it
Five times or do it, Whatever It Is, there is there kind of beneficial return the more that you do it or tough question to answer. I think it depends a lot on the individual. It also depends
on the
reasons for which you are using it. I would say, I wouldn't have said that to myself. I wouldn't have said do it 10 times and call it quits. I wouldn't have said that. I would have said, here's what I probably would have said. I would have said number one. If you take this seriously, the deeper you go, the more interesting, it becomes, if you
Pursue very qualified training.
Through people who have a proven lineage of focusing on this, for hundreds of years, you can go very, very deep and it will get more interesting. I would have simultaneously said,
be very cautious about how deep you go, because you can get lost. If this is not your tradition, if this is not your culture, if you have not been steeped in this, if you didn't start drinking Ayahuasca, when you're five years old, which is when a lot of these
Let's just call them professionals will start drinking is when they're 5 6 or 7 years old, like a full dose or like just little tasters.
I don't know how it's introduced, probably it's smaller doses but very quickly getting to full sizes very, very quickly, getting to full doses.
It fun when you do a little little cough syrup low like on the side or do you have to do a full dose to get that? I've never I've never done it you know that I will say, here's what can I say? One thing Tim? Yes. Can I say one thing? You can say to, this is one one. One thing you can say other things, if you decide to do it again this year.
Yeah.
If you would have me?
Yeah, I would deal with you final, okay? Like 10 years. All right, that's
interesting. That's interesting. All right, I will not hold you to that but that's good to know.
Yeah, I'd love to, man. I know that you'd be a good guy to know, you'd be a good friend and I know you'd be a good shoulder. And, you know, I know there's having done, high-dose mushrooms, I cried and wept over my Dad's passing over a lot of shit that would obviously comes up and you need, you need to support
Structure. And I know you would be fantastic friend at that. Thanks, I would love that if you, yeah, me and some yeah, thanks. Kevin. And also the meditation
training, you've been doing will be instrumental, it will be incredibly incredibly helpful, so that's good to know. And I will say that, you know, I'll just wrap up quickly that the advice I would have given my younger. Selfs number one is the deeper you go. The more interesting will become assuming that you have
Have proper guidance from people who have a proven track record before. This was fashionable of over Generations, cultivating an awareness and toolkit for interacting with these spaces.
I was looks like one little little tidbit to that, you know, even just being out here a couple of months I hear, hey, come to our Ayahuasca little thing in the LA Hills blah blah. And it seems very commercial at this point. Yeah. And I'm like, in my head, I was always like, I'm only
Trust him on the ship because he's got that OG, the original shit. That is like the good stuff, a good, you know it. But you know, I mean you must feel this. You know. I'm strict. Yeah. And I'm, I didn't really seek out the best. Yep. And I'm
very very, very, very particular and meticulous about how I assess expertise.
I think that is one of mice, one of my
core
Forms of expertise is assessing expertise. I think I'm very good at it and I think the vast majority of people who consume these things are children playing with loaded handguns. They don't realize the risks they're taking and the horrifying episodes. Generally don't get a lot of air time. So there's a survivorship bias where people end up hearing the, the
Of life-altering experiences. And then the incorrect conclusion is made that the vast majority of experiences are like that. And I have not seen any evidence to suggest that's true. There are many positive life-altering experiences, but Ayahuasca, specifically is a big gun. It is very powerful and the other warning, I would give in addition to, if you go deep
Given that you are not native to this environment. There is a risk that you will become lost and being lost, could be in indescribably terrifying experience where the line between reality and what, you might perceive as a hyper reality in this other dimension, or
Fabricated reality as a UI, as we perceive it versus any type of objective truth. Things can get very, very unclear very quickly, and I don't expect anyone to understand this or even,
Take it as a reasonable. That you could have that experience if you haven't been there but take my word for it. You can get to some very very slippery terrain. Furthermore I would say no matter how many times you have done this,
Doesn't matter if it's 10 or 100 or 200. You always stand the chance of pulling a joker card from the deck and getting your fucking ass handed to you in a very serious way
that has a lasting good anymore. Laughs, that has lasting
consequences. Now, I will say just for you, Kevin the group matters either.
The group matters,
and I will say more so than
Then perhaps at least from a format, a traditional format perspective, the people in the group matter. So you are going to have
This is another reason or another example of where I
think many people don't. Are you saying though when you're doing this? Like if I look over at you? Yeah, well we're doing this you're not going to be like
Doing something crazy. I'm like freaking out. Fuck off, just generally, not know.
Generally, I okay, generally I'm really, I'm
not like you to be Solid Ground.
Well, I'm not like the Exorcist, right? My head's. Not like spinning around with vomiting in all directions. And speaking in tongues, things can get very strange and they almost certainly will get very strange, but I have never had the experience. Actually, I take that back my friend in my first few.
You experiences, there were one or two times where I felt out of control fully out of control and was completely dislocated from anything resembling this reality. But the generally speaking now or in recent history, I can go through very, very, very challenging experiences. But if someone near me says Tim, are you okay or Tim, how are you doing?
Can reply to that and perfectly coherent English.
Mmm. Even if I mean, even
if see, I love it, even if I am I all subjective interpretations completely removed from time-space Identity. I can make I can still respond to that which is a developed. I think that's a cultivated skill, least for me, but the fact of the matter remains that I could not have foreseen, how
How violently I would be destabilized from that experience, a year and a half, two years ago. And I think that was in part due to a degree of overconfidence after many rounds for a non-clinician for non-professional. I mean, the professionals drink for five nights a week and do so for years and years and years on end. So anyone who's, like, I've done Ayahuasca 10 times? I understand Ayahuasca, you are.
Setting yourself up for like spiritual head kick.
The reason I'm excited about this and tell me if this is foolish and I'm fine with you saying that the one thing that I really appreciate about this practice of meditation, is that there's two things. One it's Henry, slaps, his legs. And he's just this, just this, this is this is the moment Justice and like, they're really snaps me back into like this, this is the moment and the second piece
That this idea of surrender, your you have something that's facing you and you're like, that's just a thought. Let's surrender back to the moment is a been a big piece of this practice. And do you think that either of those things would be helpful, how to present. I'll tell you how they'll
get helpful in my experience and how they'll be a hindrance or how they can be a hindrance. So on the helpful side, in these very
Three, let's call them unusual and Alternate experiences of reality insane, Ayahuasca experience and you can have nothing nights. Also, by the way, you get a bruise that super week or are you just simply for whatever reason have your body veto, the experience, you can have null experiences. It's pretty wild. I have had those, the rare, but I've had experiences where I've had three cups, which I never do three drinks, and
Have been more sober than I am right now. Said, one real drink better to real drinks and I don't have a good explanation for that happens but let's just assume we're talking about the full ride and you're in. There's an expression and this is used in therapy but it's, especially applicable. I think to some of these stronger psychedelic experiences which is what you resist persists. So if you're having
An emotion.
It's not, it's not that the emotion is the problem, it's your response to the emotion, that's the problem, right? So that is very much. I think compatible,
Spanning the gap between what we might consider meditation, and a psychedelic experience. It's the same. It's just magnified. If you resist something in meditation, there's a certain consequence if you resist something and psychedelics, it's that consequence times 100. So if you're able to rehearse and practice and cultivate the ability to observe without resisting, it is very helpful. The risk and I have seen this with experienced meditators, is that
Effectively in the Psychedelic experience are able
to.
Almost
dissociate from a first-person experience and sit on the sidelines. They don't allow themselves to be taken
and yeah, I love that. That's what I want to do.
And there's a certain wisdom in that, there's a safety in that but you do not in my purse, in my opinion. You don't get the full
experience. If you're the coach, you're watching the players on the field. You're like, yeah, good job. Keep it up.
Yep. Yeah, exactly. I clap clap slate. And but you're not, you're not
having the endzone experience. I get it of being on the playing field in a way that allows you to ride the lightning.
And that's not true surrender then, right? Because he would surrender, if you're really truly surrendering, you would let it take you,
right? And you allow,
it's for meditators, it's a conscious decision
in many cases, unless they just getting, unless they have the choice
for most people don't, most people don't they just
For most people, it's not surrendering. It's being taken without thought of there being an alternative right for meditators. I will say, I mean, there is a dose that will render, oh sure, you
just look up a piece of fucking. It could just be one cup depending on the
Brew. It could just make you a piece of Driftwood in 104 wave, right? I mean, there is, there, is there there are circumstances in which I don't really care how good.
Could you are
meditating hear me, stop talking about do it but but the room
composition matters and this is where I'm going to get out there. So welcome to Crazy Town everybody. But when you have proper guidance in the form of someone who is quarterbacking the experience and you have a room of let's just say
For 28 people, I think around six is really the sweet spot for me. That is the right size team for something like this. You are going to effectively have unprotected spiritual sex with everybody in that room, which is part of the reason why I typically do not drink with any strangers. I want to know what is under the hood for people on some level because it all gets put on the same shared table in that experience. And
I don't have any scientific proof for this. I only have my own direct experience and I try to trust in the Fidelity, my direct experience stuff gets shared in that room. So it's good to have a some basic familiarity of what you're what you're contending with and well what's interesting. You don't it doesn't necessarily manifest in a negative way. So for instance,
I have a friend who I have sat with many dozens of times now, and we will often have the exact same experience. We will see the same things. We will hear the same things, we will experience nausea at exactly the same times or more interestingly,
one of his will get super nauseous and then the nausea will disappear. And then the other person will vomit as if that has been handed off to the other person, they assume that burden or responsibility or feeling and they process it for the other person, it's very odd. It's very odd. And it is very, very common. So you get a good crew together who we gonna get? It's you me, David Blaine.
Mike, Shinoda lead, singer a kiss. I gotta run. I gotta get back to my girls. Again, this has been awesome. Yeah, good dang man. And it is great to see you man. I want to say a couple things real quick. Before we wrap up one Happy New Year I love you I miss you. Yeah I love you too but it's always great to do these is it's been so many fun years of us doing these. These ridiculous makes me so happy ridiculous podcast. Yeah.
You know, like speaking of cock punch, like this is the cock bunch of podcasts. Like it really is, this is us being ridiculous, like it's hashtag. /Yeah that the thing I love about like just to say this because it's cold on your main feed is like, you know, you have a very successful podcast that makes a lot of money doing what you do so well. And the fact that you would say, hey, I'm going to dumb it down from time to time. I just have a good time and do these types of shows.
It means a lot man. It's like it's it's kind of I think it's core of who we are though. Like we both like to be professionals on some level and then also just fuck it. We're gonna die soon. Let's have a good time, right? Yeah. 100% man, I love these
conversations. I miss you, miss the family and I hope to spend more time in person so very
good. La more often all you can about that, right? I would
like to spend some more time out there.
It's perfect weather. There's a lot to be said for it, easy access to Nature. I get to see
a lot of just do. It was the dating life and yeah, have a good time, I yeah, yeah, it's true. It's a large playing field out there
and I'm
gonna pick a ball out here a lot of pickleball. It's lot of pickleball. Oh yeah, yeah. You don't know what it means. What a what a what a Class Act and I also have a lot of friends out
there.
Serve a lot of friends and it'd be fun to do these in person. Man, we used to
do in person all the time. We used to always do a person - F. Yeah, it was so fun. So we looked a lot like a lot, younger less Grace ball. Sacks back. Yeah. Ball sacks for for really restore laborer. They're blending in their youthful vigor. I have like a ponytail on - I don't think it'll little beautiful ponytails. It was good luck on that note, I guess, aren't we offend anyone?
Today, I'm not sorry if you're offended, please, Jesus relax, right. You're gonna see on subscribe, you're gonna die soon. Have some fun. All right, man here brother. Good to see you, man. And every
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