And I must say, I remain fairly mystified about the the sociological problem. We Face here, you just figuring out how To communicate about these issues in a way that doesn't just obviously fail to solve some basic problems of coordination and cooperation, and persuasion. I mean, we just apart from the speed with which we developed vaccines. We have failed on so many other fronts that it's really a. It is fairly bewildering and depressing. I don't know if you Share that out. Look at this point. It's

almost a quintessentially. American success on the technological front, you know that we did the vaccines and we'll talk about that. I'm sure. But it's also depressingly. American in some ways our failures. I mean, one of things that I think it's interesting to step back for a moment and understand is that we are a rich and plural society in the 21st century. And we are a capitalist economy and we exchange goods and services. Of all kinds. And in our society, you can find any expertise that is humanly available. So when you need a cabinet made or your car repaired, or you need surgery or or you need, you know, detectives or military activities or basically, any kind of domain of musicians, artists. You Name It, We have people who've devoted their lives to those different sorts of activities and we we pay for those, right? We when you have a plumbing problem. Lemieux, you don't know how to fix the problem where you have a mature understanding. So you hire an expert plumber and there's a famous saying, in sociology that one man's occupation is composed of another man's emergencies. So for for you, the plumbing thing happens, rarely and is a disaster. The, you know, the your basement is flooding, but for the plumber, this is his or her, you know, usual course of business. Oh, and and then you gladly give money to that person in a classic, you know, you know, Adam Smith, kind of, you know, everyone has their own expertise and we exchanged our expertise and we're all better off as a result. But here's my point in our society and after hundreds of years since the Enlightenment with, you know, advances in science, we have experts on every scientific topic, including respiratory pandemics. And what is happening to us? Is not novel. There is an enormous wealth of knowledge about what is happening to us and about how Optimally to respond and about the epidemiology of respiratory, pathogens, and the biology of coronavirus, and the development of vaccines, and an understanding of the human body, the physiology and the treatment of people with these conditions and the organization of our hospitals and our Public Health Systems, and we have thousands of people who have devoted their lives to acquiring this expertise. And so it's a mystery to me that we don't happily. Hmm, deploy them? Like we would with any other activity in our in our capitalist. Ian Woods, especially odd to me, is that different societies have different strengths. So, for example, the Chinese, you know, are authoritarian country with a collectivist culture. And when, when coronavirus the pandemic began, they deployed those attributes and did things that would have been impossible in our society and frankly things. I wouldn't have wanted either

think which included welding people into their apartments at that point. Yes. I don't know. Maybe,

I mean, I've heard the same stories. I don't know for sure, they're too but but functionally, yes. That's what they did. They they ordered 930 million people to stay at home for months and they enforce this and they tightly control the messaging and so on. Now we thankfully are not like that. We have more freedom. We have a free and open Society. We have a free press but we didn't bring our best game, you know, we didn't bring our strengths to the battle. We, we have World leading scientist world-leading epidemiologist. We have a media environment which would have allowed for the, you know, rapid diffusion of information and we kind of bungled it from the beginning. Now part, A lot of that in my view is the fault of the previous administration, but it's not just the fault of previous administration. We the citizenry also have some responsibility for this Fiasco. So