yeah, audience captured. Does explain a lot of this, you know, across the board. I mean, it certainly explains Ruben and it's a hard question. I mean, you know, Ruben became far more cynical than I would have thought possible and it's very depressing, you know, maybe he definitely. He was a friend, he's not a friend anymore and it's like it's entirely the result of what I got to think taught me. Twitter's at the bottom of so much of this Twitter is where people are getting their information spreading their information, noticing the dense and their reputation trying to maintain their reputations. It is a funhouse mirror in which everyone is seeing everyone else as this kind of grotesque and reacting on that basis and it's it is deranging and so yeah I mean II know that. I know that none of these guys are as bad as they have seemed to me on Twitter and they're not really as bad as they have become as a result of reacting to what has been promulgated about them and buy them on Twitter? I do. II really do think Twitter runs through a lot of this but
I made it. Your analysis is interesting there but it's also not as self-reflective as I'd like it to be. And the sense that so many friends who you've had or who you publicly defended. As intellectuals have turned out to be either bad people or you know, that you can either. Well, look, let's not ascribe motives to it, but have have turned out to hold ridiculous beliefs And many voices who you once enthusiastically engaged with a now diametrically opposed to what you stand for. Like, a, you a bad judge of character. Well,
in truth is not that many people, I mean. And and some people were are people who were often included in the same sentence with these people. But these are people who I either have never met or just hit, you know, have had dinner with once, right? I mean, I don't, you know, I never knew who.
Well, as I said, well, yes, okay, people talk about what that one, Reuben, margit, Brett, Eric, maybe Peter bogosian, maybe Jordan Pederson. I guess that's probably it. It's still a, I mean, you know, it's still be intellectual dark web, which you always are, no sort of ridiculed. Nonetheless,
it was like and assigns, you know, somebody I never met him and it was it was never never should have been, no allied with, you know, move and she's somebody who I've kind of gone to war with on Twitter. But No,
but pointing out that there are Fringe cases that, you know, don't fit the the rule doesn't mean that the rule doesn't exist. Yeah,
no. But it's just a couple of people, really? And it's in Reubens case, it's 100% what Trump did to our politics and to his career, right? He just noticed that his audience was squarely and trumpets tan, and that admits, he's the the quintessential case of all. Audience capture yet. I went on his podcast, you know, I helped him. I literally launched his podcast. I think I was his first. Yeah, the interview. Yeah. And, you know, it was
young, I mean, you don't really launched a podcast, you launched his career, as a quote-unquote intellectual, in the sense that, I mean, I knew the guy very, very vaguely back in New York when he was a gay television host. And I just moved to New York and 04 05 06. I guess he was friends with my roommate in Chelsea. And, you know I had him on HuffPost Live before he was Anybody and then when he got his Like Larry King Gig and stuff like that, and he is quite clear that it was seeing you on Bill Maher, right? Would that have flag that inspired him to transition from being? Like, I don't know what he was a comedian television presenter to, you know, pursuing a life of the Arts and letters and ideas, and philosophy, and everything, which I'm quite upfront about saying, and I don't think he would disagree. He's not very good at like, That's not is above his pay grade. It's not that is not his station in life. And so I don't think it's that surprising that he has been proven to not be terribly. Clever nonetheless. Yes, not to ascribe too much. Godlike power but in his case like you are, you are, you are a (expletive)
Man, I don't know what to say about it. I feel like, I mean, I'm just, I was surprised at every stage along the way that he wasn't, it was like Invasion of the Body Snatchers, right? Like a certain point you're just not getting anything recognizable out of someone, on some very important topics. He literally had never would admit that. There was anything wrong. Anything wrong with Trump? It was it was just a a cultic level of denialism again. The true. Trump derangement syndrome. Yes. I mean the old like the closest he ever got was, you know? Yes, I understand that. He's a crass businessman, and that he, you know, he offends people. Right. Hmm. Okay. But maybe we need a crass. Businessman who offends people to shake things up, right? Maybe that's how we are that. That was like the closest, you know, which is not even getting your Toe in the water of an honest appraisal of this man and the consequences of all his line.
Sam Harris: '[Dave] Rubin Became Far More Cynical Than I Would Have Thought Possible'