but I will say that's so different than I feel like the just in the last three, four, five years. Yeah, and I obviously part of that could be that our friendship but I actually think it's. You also your default? It seems to change towards. I remember, we're going into another friend's apartment. I remember seeing you was we're going in whatever 8 in the morning and you saw me from 50 feet away and the warmest smile, like, dude. James No. And I was, I was like, I think it took me by surprise but since then that's it. That's probably been two years. Three years in China Sea. There's a default really high warmth well.

So so I don't remember if you remember but that was always there, right? And that like you'll remember like we had that party bus that we fund with tilt, right? And so like I love to host people and engage with people and like in that I think that was the first time we really hung out. That was like, we were best friends, right? Not just like, we're in the same way as he Bachelorette, ever. And I don't know how your impression was, but like, I think it was, you know, I remember myself being very engaged with people around, you know, during that I think the difference is just most of the time before like, before this, like, you know, transformation last couple of years I was like mostly engaged with ideas and not that interested in other people. It's mostly interested in myself. Actually, I was like someone to put myself in the center of the universe and I think more recently, I've like just become more interested in people and like being interested in engaging and curious and excited about the people around more than the ideas. Walk

me through part of that transformation, we've chatted about, we broached the topic on previous episodes. Yeah.

Well, I think it's a lot of it. I think a lot of it is, Really learning that a mini that people you can learn something really internalizing. And you can learn something from anybody. You know, you can learn something from anybody and everybody and there's something interesting about every person and having that mindset, you know, and probably trying to, you know, hold that context has really been a big part of it. I think. And then the other part is, I think before I was really engaged with the world of ideas and specifically startups and business, but I was engaged with the world of ideas because Like this is, you know, I was always an extrovert. I wanted the attention and connection with other people, but I didn't know how to get it. I think when I was a kid. So I created this, like defense mechanism around, you know, kind of least ways of putting myself in positions of relative powers like, how it put it? Then I was like, well, if I just get become successful then and then I'll pure will be attracted to me, right? And that was what I can do. The whole thing working on Twitch and startups and eventually becoming successful Cecil and then, of course, it doesn't like change anything really? And then after that, it was realizing, this is a shift was like, oh, actually, the real way to connect with people just to be curious and interested and open to them. Like, you don't need to be super rich or famous or whatever, you know, and that like works a lot better actually and so I think that realization plus the like becoming generally interested in the people around me is like what the transformation was, were

there, any specific events or any specific? I

really just like a lot of learning over time, you know, really. Yeah, he's part

of that growing security with yourself and and not needing to get to a certain place in your mind through business or through. You know, that could be. I think that's

a valid question and maybe that's part of it. I think a lot of it was that part was already always there and I think there's a part where like love people and I like love to engage, you know, I was a very warm person and I think I came out when I was hosting. People

you're right and you are totally right on that. They remember going to your apartment and and the party bus and it was complete like hospitality and warmth, right? That was

just like 5% of the time and 95% of the time I was like, okay, I'm working on this business and like what are you talking about your boring, right? Like and then so people would get this like, random reward ratio and they'd be like, want that it's like a slot machine. They want the like warm Justin, right? And then, I think it's just the ratio has changed a lot, you know.