I've been

thinking quite a lot about this polarization in what at least temporarily can suspend or make a relevant that polarization. That 911 would be perhaps one example these acute losses of life these very graphic events that seem to unite people at least temporarily to take certain steps Pearl Harbor probably another fantastic example, right? So Japanese attempt to destroy Pacific Fleet under estimating sort of dynamic qualities and variables that could change when the United States United and suddenly changed all of its production and so on to then later turn around and sort of exact Vengeance a thousand fold and I think I am on some level Darkly optimistic that I mean, it sounds terrible but I you know sort of anticipating that there could be something that graphic. And I and awful particularly given the nature of every cell phone having a video and video camera and still camera embedded that would perhaps suspend the polarity the political polarity long enough to take really decisive action. Do you think there's anything that comes to mind as it relates to covid-19 that could act as such a catalyzing event. What what would it take if anything comes to mind to temporarily give us a political ceasefire so we could take really decisive unified action. Well,

I do think Tim that covid-19 could be a catalyst for greater unity and for stepping back from the polarization and part of what gives me hope is that I'm already starting to see that happen here and there in communities across the country as people. Reach out to each other and help each other. There's people checking on neighbors who are struggling now without any way to help them because they're alone and I've seen even on the local level, even though this doesn't get a lot of press, you know, I've seen local officials and to step up and put traditional partisan issues aside to work together because they recognize that there's something much much greater at stake and much more urgent which is the lives of the people. That they're there to serve and I'd so I do think it can happen. I what I worry about is is this is does it always have to take a crisis particularly one that involves a loss of life and great suffering for us to realize that we truly need each other and that we need to come together and put our Collective well-being over individual interest. I hope it won't always take that but I do think that given the magnitude of What covid-19 has already done and what it stands to do to the United States and to the world that this could be a wake-up call. This could be an opportunity for people to come together. The real question though Tim is will they stay together? And if you look back at 9/11 and at many of the tragedies we've experienced as a country. We do come together and what we see in those moments is I think the actual authentic intrinsic human Spirit, which is a spirit of together. Spirit of interdependence the spirit of compassion and generosity and joy, but that gets quickly eroded as we settle back into our day-to-day lives and there are many reasons why we settled that and there are forces. I think in the messaging we see in media and from work and then the larger culture which keep pulling us back I think away from a focus on relationships,