Okay, tell me about your personal transformation. So maybe your mindset hasn't shifted too much on the investing side, but your personal transformation. We find ourselves in La. You got long hair. It's become a far. Far along way from we met January of 2012. So yeah,

it's been nine years I realized I was thinking about that this morning. It's like now what, you know? Now we're old friends, dude. I know is you're both

old. We are both old, we both have kids, you know, I remember the first time I met you We met in the back of YC, we're in the same batch and you had been third before. So you really knew ins and outs. Yeah. And we're in the back of the room. We sat down next to each other or eating dinner and think everybody in the batch knew who you were and we're sitting down eating dinner and there and then you kind of ended the conversation. Everyone is continue topping you tight talking. You were typing and I think you're coding for exact at the time. And I remember feeling like this guy's kind of tough isn't tough cookie?

Well, yeah. Well what what made you say that?

I think there was three hours, I think there was a look at other companies. I think it was almost I got divide this could have just been in my head that it was like there's a competition. Hmm. He's other companies are competition.

Hmm. And

maybe maybe not direct way but some indirect. Yeah,