of these people are people who I really do to have called them. Friends was an exaggeration because in the case of some of these people, you know, I haven't even met them or I met them. Once in Reubens case, he just in my experience, he got inducted into a political Call cult, right? And I couldn't get him out and it was very depressing. He was not somebody who I saw all that much, but he was, he was definitely somebody who I would occasionally have dinner with. And it was just a bummer, he decided, what his business model required. So I got derailed when I was in the process of telling you, this is the second time I went on his show, I saw what was coming back to me in the comments and that was the first time I discovered, okay, his audience is just Three percent Trump brought and says he met he made that Discovery at some point and it's the very essence of audience capture. I mean, he just he would, he has no career outside of trumpets, Dan. I would argue that is a fate of his own making, but he has made that he's got both feet in Pizza, gate, adjacent crazy town. And it's, you know, I'm sure he and Candice and everyone who are just going to try to Move into some respectable conservative orbit now that Trump's political fortunes seems to be unraveling if in fact they are unraveling and you know he'll be on the DeSantis train and all of that but it's just to not have been able to acknowledge that there was anything at all. Problematic about you know a sitting president not committing to a peaceful transfer of power. I mean that I just I don't know how to have a conversation after that know.
So I mean I think you're, I think you're being generous. In a scribing more strategy to it than maybe they're even was. I mean, when people it's like a bit like people and when people ask me, do I think that Trump believed the things that he said, I almost like go into Jordan Pederson, meta, truth, like mode where I'm like, I'm not even sure. He has a relationship to what is true and what is false that maps onto like physics and ontology and the Universe? I think it's just like that. What is true is kind of what works and what functions and so I think I think of Dave a bit That died. Just think Dave was a an enthusiastic puppy dog and he saw you and he was like, I want to, I want a bit of that and then when he grew, you know, he grew up. He just started doing the tricks that he liked. And I don't even think that he thinks that he's captured by his audience. I just think that he's a lightweight. And so he just says, you know, things that but work and they Funk they function anyway, enough about him because there's so much that I want to get to about like artificial intelligence and stuff. Like I don't want to keep you all day,
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